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delilah

Member
Pages 104-107. The None Farming Union is finished.

Well, if we got them reformed so that only farmers could be members, then yes they would be finished as the None Farming Union.
They wont be finished otherwise; even if a significant chunk of the farming membership stopped paying their subs tomorrow they could keep pottering along on the back of the the investments.

You wont starve the NFU out. You need to reform it.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
If farmers want to put real pressure on the NFU to stand up for it’s members then as they say “money talks” , the most effective way is to cancel or not renew your NFU farm insurance, whilst NFU insurance is a seperate business if you cancel & make plain your reasons you can bet it will be passed along putting far more pressure than any other complaining we can do.
Insurers such as Cornish Mutual are every bit as competitive & in my experience over 40 years very fair.
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Well, if we got them reformed so that only farmers could be members, then yes they would be finished as the None Farming Union.
They wont be finished otherwise; even if a significant chunk of the farming membership stopped paying their subs tomorrow they could keep pottering along on the back of the the investments.

You wont starve the NFU out. You need to reform it.
They won't chuck out their corporate or countryside non farming members, they have become too important to the business.
 

Hilly

Member
I can’t imagine dealing with supermarkets being a lot of fun, maybe they said they aren’t going to buy products from farmers assured by a farmer governed scheme and want their own cronies on the boards?
I know off a guy who dose deal with them and have heard him after dinner speaking about it and he has great fun dealing with them plays games with them as they do with him but he sells something not many other sell so kind of has the whip hand with them but he certinaly seems to enjoy the horse trading side with them!
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I can’t imagine dealing with supermarkets being a lot of fun, maybe they said they aren’t going to buy products from farmers assured by a farmer governed scheme and want their own cronies on the boards?

supermarkets already buy unassured produce

ALL of the cereal / bakery products for starters !

the reason the NFU are failing on this is part ego (they invented this) , part gravy train connections / future opportunities for officers and head office employees and part need to represent their influencial none farming membership
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Too many posts to look back on so sorry if my question has already been covered . In the event of an accident or incident where legal people or even court cases are involved do you have to be a member for the legal backup from the NFU which talking to members is very good - obviously staying insured with them ?

i buy better cover for for very little £

any decent businesses insurance should offer it
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
This is from Delilah's document which is pretty damning:

When we consider their inflated membership claims in relation to the whole UK industry we see just how
unrepresentative the NFU council actually is. There are, in fact, some 212,000 UK holdings. NFU membership is only
26% of these. The truly astounding misrepresentation is that the NFU claim the number of holdings to be the number of
farmers. The NFU’s membership is only 19% of the 294,000 registered commercial British farmers and a mere 11% of
the recorded 476,000 farming workforce. A far cry from the "more than 70% of farmers".
... What is certain is the NFU is not anywhere close to representing the two thirds of farmers it implies – less than a fifth
at best.
Sustainable food campaigns are also concerned that corporate or other associate category members – being undisclosed
– could contain powerful corporate interests such as pesticide manufacturer Syngenta. Apparently "all the main milk
processors are members of NFU, as are supermarkets.

Non farmers union.

I’ve been banging on about the big corporate members for years

THIS is the issue and explains why they dont seem to represent

a farming union should be 100% farmers surely
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
supermarkets already buy unassured produce

ALL of the cereal / bakery products for starters !

the reason the NFU are failing on this is part ego (they invented this) , part gravy train connections / future opportunities for officers and head office employees and part need to represent their influencial none farming membership
Absolutely your last para.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
NFU mutual are not very competitive in my experience

don’t get me started on that - what do you expect from a “mutual “ that lost >£143m pounds, 2 years after it lost >£290m yet still paid its CEO over 2 million salary bonus last year !

despite claims of no connection to the NFU they are worth circa £ 6 million a year to them in the last NFU accounts i saw

This is ALL big businesses and pocket lining, very little to do with trully helping farmers these days sadly
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
I’ve been banging on about the big corporate members for years

THIS is the issue and explains why they dont seem to represent

a farming union should be 100% farmers surely
Last line is National Farmers Union. Naughty because it's miss advertised as such and misleading.
 

Scholsey

Member
Location
Herefordshire
supermarkets already buy unassured produce

ALL of the cereal / bakery products for starters !

the reason the NFU are failing on this is part ego (they invented this) , part gravy train connections / future opportunities for officers and head office employees and part need to represent their influencial none farming membership

i believe it would be far less of a issue for arable farms compared to the livestock industry.

I would rather have a far more sensible version of red tractor assurance than dairy/livestock produce buyers make us be part of something like RSPCA freedom foods where they threaten removal of contract for taking part the badger cull etc. That’s the alternative! Supermarkets are making game dealers only buy from assured shoots, there’s no way they would buy most of their meat/dairy from unassured farms!

How many of these horrendous animal welfare cases happen on farm assured farms? Very few I should imagine, the removal of farm assurance would allow far more serious cases of this which would damage the livestock industry even further!

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If farm assurance for livestock farmers stops just one extra case like the one above then it’s doing it’s job, current RT is far from perfect i agree but I believe a alternative or no assurance could be a whole lot worse.
 
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Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
i believe it would be far less of a issue for arable farms compared to the livestock industry.

I would rather have a far more sensible version of red tractor assurance than dairy/livestock produce buyers make us be part of something like RSPCA freedom foods where they threaten removal of contract for taking part the badger cull etc. That’s the alternative! Supermarkets are making game dealers only buy from assured shoots, there’s no way they would buy most of their meat/dairy from unassured farms!

How many of these horrendous animal welfare cases happen on farm assured farms? Very few I should imagine, the removal of farm assurance would allow far more serious cases of this which would damage the livestock industry even further!
You assume that farm assurance improves welfare or reduces the risk of welfare breaches?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
i believe it would be far less of a issue for arable farms compared to the livestock industry.

I would rather have a far more sensible version of red tractor assurance than dairy/livestock produce buyers make us be part of something like RSPCA freedom foods where they threaten removal of contract for taking part the badger cull etc. That’s the alternative! Supermarkets are making game dealers only buy from assured shoots, there’s no way they would buy most of their meat/dairy from unassured farms!

How many of these horrendous animal welfare cases happen on farm assured farms? Very few I should imagine, the removal of farm assurance would allow far more serious cases of this which would damage the livestock industry even further!

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If farm assurance for livestock farmers stops just one extra case like the one above then it’s doing it’s job, current RT is far from perfect i agree but I believe a alternative or no assurance could be a whole lot worse.

pictures like above are horrendous BUT break LAWS. - they do not in anyway justify a private company leaching on farmers on top of those laws

the law should simply be enforced, assurance not stopping these shocking cases
 
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