Autumn manure banned

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Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
steveR said:
They have already spread BEFORE this nonsense was released..... ;)
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Your right Steve in practice - and some applications that occur next week may well be in fact applied last week (before this nonsense) but this 'nonsense' as you quite corrctly call it is not a new nonsense, it is the EA enforcing authority actually now planning to implement and enforce the regulations that have been in place for several years - decades in fact, and that is why there may be no softening from Defra and EA. As yesterday I looked at several field heaps of layer manure ready to be applied wondering what to do. jfdi and see what happens was the conclusion!
 
steveR

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
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Gods own County, Shropshire of course
Hindsight said:
Your right Steve in practice - and some applications that occur next week may well be in fact applied last week (before this nonsense) but this 'nonsense' as you quite corrctly call it is not a new nonsense, it is the EA enforcing authority actually now planning to implement and enforce the regulations that have been in place for several years - decades in fact, and that is why there may be no softening from Defra and EA. As yesterday I looked at several field heaps of layer manure ready to be applied wondering what to do. jfdi and see what happens was the conclusion!
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I think that many, many Growers will arrive at the same conclusion this Autumn, if only because the heaps are already there...

I was going to flog my LGP muck spreader and use a hired in rear discharge monster. more often. Maybe rethink now, as I can travel with the lightweight that little bit earlier... But for applications of FYM to grassland, this is barmy, Autumn application and slow release. Ah well, another feckin nail in farming's coffin :-(

All stock to be outwintered in future... in theory.
 
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Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
steveR said:
I think that many, many Growers will arrive at the same conclusion this Autumn, if only because the heaps are already there...

I was going to flog my LGP muck spreader and use a hired in rear discharge monster. more often. Maybe rethink now, as I can travel with the lightweight that little bit earlier... But for applications of FYM to grassland, this is barmy, Autumn application and slow release. Ah well, another feckin nail in farming's coffin :-(

All stock to be outwintered in future... in theory.
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The real problem is whether to apply for this RPS thing and notify the EA. With the layer manure it is not going to pass any RPS so why get bogged down with EA. And then it will be next autumn when will not take it - and the problem will the egg producing man who yesterday was almost in tears as he was contemplating the future with these restrictions.
 
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devonbeef

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon UK
steveR said:
I think that many, many Growers will arrive at the same conclusion this Autumn, if only because the heaps are already there...

I was going to flog my LGP muck spreader and use a hired in rear discharge monster. more often. Maybe rethink now, as I can travel with the lightweight that little bit earlier... But for applications of FYM to grassland, this is barmy, Autumn application and slow release. Ah well, another feckin nail in farming's coffin :-(

All stock to be outwintered in future... in theory.
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I think this nonsense is now not starting now until feb 22,
 
Heathland

Heathland

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Hindsight said:
The real problem is whether to apply for this RPS thing and notify the EA. With the layer manure it is not going to pass any RPS so why get bogged down with EA. And then it will be next autumn when will not take it - and the problem will the egg producing man who yesterday was almost in tears as he was contemplating the future with these restrictions.
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I've stuck my head above the parapet and applied to the EA for a RPS, due to the fact I've got 100's of tons of Nutri-bio sat in fields waiting to be spread.This stuff is not free,I wouldn't apply it if there wasn't a crop need,its a good product.
The Nutri-bio advisor told me to apply to the EA and not to spread,its on my own head,I'll be picking up any fine if I get prosecuted ,yet the spreading contractor is ringing around asking farmers if he can spread.
He hasn't rung me to be fair.
This product is so tightly regulated they know where every ton has gone,spread or not.

Anglian water have said they will remove the product if I want,Lord only knows what they are going to do with the stuff,think the water boards need to block up some toilets in the EA buildings and tell them to deal with stuff themselves.😄
I'll give it a week or two before I decide what I'm doing,literally just had a RPA inspection this week,sick and tired of constantly looking over my shoulder at who's trying to catch me out,
Whether it's RT,EA or RPA and its in the middle of harvest,anyone would think I'm sat at home twiddling my thumbs.

The bit of broiler muck I've got is going in front of the OSR,so is OK, crop need.
Ironically this is my last crop if birds going out of my sheds,so this isn't going to be a issue for me,at least they can burn chicken muck at Thetford,which is probably going to be inundated now££££££,this situation is just unbelievable,the idiots have taken over the asylum/country 🤪🤪☹.
 
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beardface

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East Yorkshire
I honestly think that we are at the cumulation of years of planning by Whitehall to regulate farmers out of existence. Then import everything. I just hope they realise that one bad global harvest would sink that plan.

The most frustrating thing is that the UK has one of the best food growing environments. We could easily become over 80% self sufficient in food, whilst maintaining the environment.

What I really want to know is how the inspection/prosecution process will work. And how fines will be measured. The cynic in me sees this as an opportunity by government to fund the EA. They know its completely impractical and that most of us won't adhere to it. The big question is whether a "fine" could be built into enterprise gross margins. I.E. we assume a fine of say 10k and carry on as normal. So essentially we "pay" to dispose of our "waste".
 
Brisel

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
beardface said:
I honestly think that we are at the cumulation of years of planning by Whitehall to regulate farmers out of existence. Then import everything. I just hope they realise that one bad global harvest would sink that plan.

The most frustrating thing is that the UK has one of the best food growing environments. We could easily become over 80% self sufficient in food, whilst maintaining the environment.

What I really want to know is how the inspection/prosecution process will work. And how fines will be measured. The cynic in me sees this as an opportunity by government to fund the EA. They know its completely impractical and that most of us won't adhere to it. The big question is whether a "fine" could be built into enterprise gross margins. I.E. we assume a fine of say 10k and carry on as normal. So essentially we "pay" to dispose of our "waste".
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There is another way of looking at this - for decades, much of the nitrate and phosphate pollution has come from agriculture, so the EA are just trying to reduce that.

Consider the wider picture, not just see farmers as victims of persecution.
 
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Suffolk Serf

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Location
Bury/Thetford
silverfox said:
How will outdoor pig units fare in this situation . They are obviously spreading 24/7,
and don’t they stay in the same field for a couple of years . @Suffolk Serf might know.
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As far as I know no problem. Outdoor pigs often get away with things because of the perceived welfare advantage. Do have to adhere to NVZ rules however, the nitrates being averaged with land elsewhere.
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Brisel said:
There is another way of looking at this - for decades, much of the nitrate and phosphate pollution has come from agriculture, so the EA are just trying to reduce that.

Consider the wider picture, not just see farmers as victims of persecution.
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Suppose EA haven't written the laws, just enforcing them.

Funny though isn't it, they completely ignore some things.

Also completely ignore cattle outdoors. Urine patches release masses of N onto a small area. Mid-season grass struggles to use the N, particularly bad if soil cracked. Problem is multiple x worse with outwintered cattle on grass, and worse again if grazing kale, fodder beet etc.

You'd think if they were serious about N leaching, then they'd tackle these issues, particularly the pigs when there's no vegetation but rather a quagmire of mud.

They've got to be practical though. So banning summer grazing cattle probably not on. Banning outwintered cattle is possibly sensible. Banning outdoor pigs certainly sensible (or very low stocking rate and must have green cover).

Maybe with the FYM they should pull us, rather than push us. How about SFI option of spring FYM spreading rather than autumn.
 

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