So is this the post Brexit Utopia we were promised?

spin cycle · Sep 28, 2021

this country is not perfect........but all countries have their problems.... imagine our media with any of the following

unemployment rate spain 15%...italy 10%

whole govenrment resigns over child benefit scandal ....holland

health workers turn backs on pm during visits to hospitals....belgium

weeks of yellow vest protests .......france

in germany authorities place political party afd under surveillance deeming it an extremist threat only to have it blocked in the courts....the party has 10% of popular support

major wrangling over slowness of vaccine supplies/procurement....EU

finally be thankful we're not all having to grow beards which we're not allowed to trim.....our wives can move freely....our daughters can go to school and there isn't a gibbet in the town square with a body of someone who may/may not have done something wrong

Old apprentice · Sep 28, 2021

Grandad Pig said:
I never accepted that not joining the Euro was a good thing either.

Are you kiding?

7610 super q · Sep 28, 2021

If anything the last 12 months have shown up what a disaster the EU is/was.
Allowing cheap foreign labour to take the place of our own drivers/ veg pickers / turkey pluckers....ultimately in the long run we have to do our own work ? And that goes for manufacturing and energy too.
Agriculture has been ruined with subsidies going to big chaps to buy more land to get bigger, and an acceptance that paying £70/ acre dole makes up for 15th century prices. 52% of small family farms lost since 1972.
We never had empty shelves and turkey shortages when small family farms were in charge.
Shame we didn't leave 15, or 20 years ago.

Bossfarmer · Sep 28, 2021

7610 super q said:
If anything the last 12 months have shown up what a disaster the EU is/was.
Allowing cheap foreign labour to take the place of our own drivers/ veg pickers / turkey pluckers....ultimately in the long run we have to do our own work ? And that goes for manufacturing and energy too.
Agriculture has been ruined with subsidies going to big chaps to buy more land to get bigger, and an acceptance that paying £70/ acre dole makes up for 15th century prices. 52% of small family farms lost since 1972.
We never had empty shelves and turkey shortages when small family farms were in charge.
Shame we didn't leave 15, or 20 years ago.

Explain that again about ag subs going to the big chaps??? Every one gets the same per acre, If farm produce was a fairer price the "big chaps" would prob make an extra £70/acre anyway so it would come to the same, why ruin ag out of jealousy for the bigger farmers? Theyre always going to make more if the goings good

Ashtree · Sep 28, 2021

Anybody believing that Brexit hasn‘t at least substantially amplified the skills shortage in UK, has their cranium wedged in the deepest recesses, of their anal cavity.

bobk · Sep 28, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Lorry drivers are short across the EU and not just in the UK.

The after effects of shutting down the world economy for months on end over Covid is mostly responsible for the current problems!

Pre planned all this including and that includes covid it certainly has been.

Next will be power cuts in Dec/Jan!

Will you be storing leccy as well ?

neilo · Sep 28, 2021

ollie989898 said:
Neither gas prices, the fuel shortages, or the shortfall of lorry drivers, have anything to do with Brexit.

Current problems clearly aren’t purely down to Brexit. There can be no denying that the utopian dream has certainly exacerbated those problems though.

The lorry driver shortage (and that of fruit/veg pickers, chicken catchers, etc) has been building for decades, with cheap foreign labour being a sticking plaster that’s enabled it to carry on. Losing that labour source, down to COVID, better prospects at home AND Brexit, has brought the chickens home to roost more rapidly than would have been the case.

Whether any of our politicians have the mettle to make the necessary changes is the question.

Ashtree · Sep 28, 2021

neilo said:
Current problems clearly aren’t purely down to Brexit. There can be no denying that the utopian dream has certainly exacerbated those problems though.

The lorry driver shortage (and that of fruit/veg pickers, chicken catchers, etc) has been building for decades, with cheap foreign labour being a sticking plaster that’s enabled it to carry on. Losing that labour source, down to COVID, better prospects at home AND Brexit, has brought the chickens home to roost more rapidly than would have been the case.

Whether any of our politicians have the mettle to make the necessary changes is the question.

All summed up in a nice nutshell. The straight jacket of Brexit red lines, is quite simply choking GB. Every country has the Covid hangover. GB has two hangovers.

Treg · Sep 28, 2021

"Gas crisis leaves Europe searching for solutions - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58650634.amp
Oh dear not just us then.

SilliamWhale · Sep 28, 2021

Grass And Grain said:
The existing UK nationals who are lorry drivers, veg pickers, cleaners etc. who had their wages stuck at low levels due to eastern European workers coming over here, are probably quite glad to see their wages rising closer to other workers in the economy.

The wage gap between high earners and low earners was too large imho, and about time it was narrowed.

If you look at Brexit from a working mans (womans) point of view. What is not to like?

Lets say you are a trucker in a red wall seat - wages up, job is valued. If your a tradesman you will have plenty of work on now. The economy is going well for those sort of workers. We have plenty plenty of jobs.

The stupid labour party don't see this at all and they're arguing over cervix's and even a £15 min wage. The wage inflation will take care of itself for the moment for those who work

There is no point harking back to leave or remain. Neither will change their mind. There is no doubt when Macron gets booted out we will have a better relationship with the EU as the two big beasts will have left. Need to look to the future now - we have left the EU.

farmerm · Sep 28, 2021

SilliamWhale said:
If you look at Brexit from a working mans (womans) point of view. What is not to like?

Lets say you are a trucker in a red wall seat - wages up, job is valued. If your a tradesman you will have plenty of work on now. The economy is going well for those sort of workers. We have plenty plenty of jobs.

The stupid labour party don't see this at all and they're arguing over cervix's and even a £15 min wage. The wage inflation will take care of itself for the moment for those who work

There is no point harking back to leave or remain. Neither will change their mind. There is no doubt when Macron gets booted out we will have a better relationship with the EU as the two big beasts will have left. Need to look to the future now - we have left the EU.

The Labour Party are crackers if they think near doubling min wage is a good idea! We might as well just sack the entire workforce and import everything

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Ffermer Bach · Sep 28, 2021

Grandad Pig said:
Really. Can you point me to the news items showing empty shelves and petrol panic buying in the EU please. I haven’t seen any.
Europe had Covid as did we, but only we had Brexit. Coincidence perhaps? I never accepted that not joining the Euro was a good thing either. Still, the sunlit uplands are just over the horizon, along with the £350 million for the NHS.

Do you think Brexit has caused the truck driver shortage in the USA too?

A Trucking Crisis Has the U.S. Looking for More Drivers Abroad

A shortage of truckers across the U.S. has become so severe that companies are trying to bring in drivers from abroad like seemingly never before.

www.bloomberg.com

Mind you, it would not surprise me, if remoaners did blame it on Brexit! Rather than Covid, very fragile just in time delivery systems, and an industry that has relied on cheap labour (and therefore not value or look after it's employees) and an obsession with university above all other training.

Ffermer Bach · Sep 28, 2021

ollie989898 said:
Neither gas prices, the fuel shortages, or the shortfall of lorry drivers, have anything to do with Brexit.

our problems with gas prices are due to a succession of politicians each wanting to "out greenwash the last" without a strategic plan to transition to a lower carbon society and not explaining that these policies are going to lead to a great deal of pain and changes to society, of course saying those things would be a micro aggression and they would be no platformed, so we get the policies our society deserves!

Henarar · Sep 28, 2021

Ashtree said:
Anybody believing that Brexit hasn‘t at least substantially amplified the skills shortage in UK, has their cranium wedged in the deepest recesses, of their anal cavity.

you should know how that feels, mind having said that your big head probably wouldn't fit but at least if it did it would silence your racist mouth

Y Fan Wen · Sep 28, 2021

I suppose you could say that covid was a godsend for brexiters 'cos we will never be able to disentangle the effects of both together.

SilliamWhale · Sep 28, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
I suppose you could say that covid was a godsend for brexiters 'cos we will never be able to disentangle the effects of both together.

Maybe, maybe not.

Covid policies will have ended up costing us countless times more money than any Brexit deal. I'm not saying Brexit has either gone well or badly by the way - the facts are there are winners and losers. The Brexit stuff will settle down eventually.

Henarar · Sep 28, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
I suppose you could say that covid was a godsend for brexiters 'cos we will never be able to disentangle the effects of both together.

God ? so it wasn't made in china then

bluebell · Sep 28, 2021

the problem of labour, skill shortages has been building up for many many years? Wasnt it blair when he got in making a promise that half of all children will be able to go to university? Great in theory but in practical terms all it done was fuel the growth in 3rd rate universities that teach subjects to students that have limited chances of getting a reasonalbe paid or any job for that matter ? Very sadely let down? but fine for the lecturors that earn large wages teaching these subjects?

wanton dwarf · Sep 28, 2021

DeeGee said:
There was a new golden dawn promised by arch Brexiteers if we left the EU.

The reality so far, while we await the belated sunrise, which I’m sure will happen: is partially unharvested fruit and vegetable crops, galloping inflation, a chronic shortage of delivery drivers, chaotic scenes at fuel stations, long delays in importing vital goods and an ever growing number of empty shelves in retail outlets.

Now not all these maladies are a result of us leaving the EU, but some are: and the Utopian idyll we were all promised when Britannia was once again able to rule the waves and create a glorious new era of world trade seems rather slow to materialise. Never mind, apparently all good things come to those who wait, and wait.........

I didn't see anyone promising any "Utopia".

But they DID say wages might increase if Tax Free Eastern Europeans were not employed.

Barleycorn · Sep 28, 2021

bluebell said:
the problem of labour, skill shortages has been building up for many many years? Wasnt it blair when he got in making a promise that half of all children will be able to go to university? Great in theory but in practical terms all it done was fuel the growth in 3rd rate universities that teach subjects to students that have limited chances of getting a reasonalbe paid or any job for that matter ? Very sadely let down? but fine for the lecturors that earn large wages teaching these subjects?

Exactly what Dyson said recently, we have far too many academics and not enough engineers. You've just got to watch University Challenge to see what absolutely useless courses they are on. Occasionally someone studying medicine, but seldom an engineer, more likely some of the other rubbish like a degree in gender equality etc give me strength!

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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