So is this the post Brexit Utopia we were promised?

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
What promises ?
well....


1. Trade with the EU will be tariff-free and involve minimal bureaucracy failed

2. Northern Ireland border 'absolutely unchanged' failed

3. End supremacy of EU law and the EU's Court of Justice failed

4. Take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands failed

5. Britain will take back control of its fisheries failed

6. £350M for the NHS instead of being sent to Brussels failed

7. New trade deals, and access to a European trading zone 'from Iceland to Russia largely failed

8. Continue cooperating on security issues and counter-terrorism partially failed

9. Financial protection for farmers who get cash from Brussels massively failed

10. Continued participation in EU science research schemes, deeper cooperation on scientific collaboration, plus increased funding for science success

11. Wages will be higher time will tell, some wages certainly rising in some sectors but others may yet to big job cuts

12. The union will be stronger :banghead:

13. Cut VAT on energy bills to save the average household £64 a year Well it has not been done and treasury needs every penny so fail

14. Scrap VAT on sanitary products success


So to sum up to date Brexit has delivered on the promise of maintaining participation in something that would have also been maintained had we not left the EU and the really big one, the removal of VAT on sanitary products. (y)(y):rolleyes:
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
how dya know i was referring to you :sneaky: as generally it would be a shrewd move with way less work than sheep..:cautious:

.........what more fluff heads ? :oops:🤦‍♂️
my personal flock has quadrupled
well....


1. Trade with the EU will be tariff-free and involve minimal bureaucracy failed

2. Northern Ireland border 'absolutely unchanged' failed

3. End supremacy of EU law and the EU's Court of Justice failed

4. Take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands failed

5. Britain will take back control of its fisheries failed

6. £350M for the NHS instead of being sent to Brussels failed

7. New trade deals, and access to a European trading zone 'from Iceland to Russia largely failed

8. Continue cooperating on security issues and counter-terrorism partially failed

9. Financial protection for farmers who get cash from Brussels massively failed

10. Continued participation in EU science research schemes, deeper cooperation on scientific collaboration, plus increased funding for science success

11. Wages will be higher time will tell, some wages certainly rising in some sectors but others may yet to big job cuts

12. The union will be stronger :banghead:

13. Cut VAT on energy bills to save the average household £64 a year Well it has not been done and treasury needs every penny so fail

14. Scrap VAT on sanitary products success


So to sum up to date Brexit has delivered on the promise of maintaining participation in something that would have also been maintained had we not left the EU and the really big one, the removal of VAT on sanitary products. (y)(y):rolleyes:
who were vote leave to make any promises at the time
 

robs1

Member
well....


1. Trade with the EU will be tariff-free and involve minimal bureaucracy failed

2. Northern Ireland border 'absolutely unchanged' failed

3. End supremacy of EU law and the EU's Court of Justice failed

4. Take back control on immigration and asylum, and cut migration to the tens of thousands failed

5. Britain will take back control of its fisheries failed

6. £350M for the NHS instead of being sent to Brussels failed

7. New trade deals, and access to a European trading zone 'from Iceland to Russia largely failed

8. Continue cooperating on security issues and counter-terrorism partially failed

9. Financial protection for farmers who get cash from Brussels massively failed

10. Continued participation in EU science research schemes, deeper cooperation on scientific collaboration, plus increased funding for science success

11. Wages will be higher time will tell, some wages certainly rising in some sectors but others may yet to big job cuts

12. The union will be stronger :banghead:

13. Cut VAT on energy bills to save the average household £64 a year Well it has not been done and treasury needs every penny so fail

14. Scrap VAT on sanitary products success


So to sum up to date Brexit has delivered on the promise of maintaining participation in something that would have also been maintained had we not left the EU and the really big one, the removal of VAT on sanitary products. (y)(y):rolleyes:
So the best you can do is to quote a pro eu source, that's like asking fred west if there was anything hiden in his cellar. Most of those "facts" are twists of the reality
 
If anything the last 12 months have shown up what a disaster the EU is/was.
Allowing cheap foreign labour to take the place of our own drivers/ veg pickers / turkey pluckers....ultimately in the long run we have to do our own work ? And that goes for manufacturing and energy too.
Agriculture has been ruined with subsidies going to big chaps to buy more land to get bigger, and an acceptance that paying £70/ acre dole makes up for 15th century prices. 52% of small family farms lost since 1972.
We never had empty shelves and turkey shortages when small family farms were in charge.
Shame we didn't leave 15, or 20 years ago.

Why does every loser blame the EU

I was born on a 65 acre rented farm in 1964

I'm now reasonably well off, partly thanks to the EU.

Edit Must admit I'm amused at the struggle to find veg/fruit field workers. But worry about our now reduced ability to export produce/products of any type.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
So the best you can do is to quote a pro eu source, that's like asking fred west if there was anything hiden in his cellar. Most of those "facts" are twists of the reality
So far the best you have done seems to be to deny there were any promises :rolleyes: Promises (aka lies) that were enough to swung the crucial 2%.... But whats done is done leavers do not have the utopia that was promised but eventually a new normality will be reached, there will be winner and loosers, farmers will by and large get kicked around but we will change and adapt and life will go on.
 

Ashtree

Member
Why does every loser blame the EU

I was born on a 65 acre rented farm in 1964

I'm now reasonably well off, partly thanks to the EU.

Edit Must admit I'm amused at the struggle to find veg/fruit field workers. But worry about our now reduced ability to export produce/products of any type.
You and millions more.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Why does every loser blame the EU

I was born on a 65 acre rented farm in 1964

I'm now reasonably well off, partly thanks to the EU.

Edit Must admit I'm amused at the struggle to find veg/fruit field workers. But worry about our now reduced ability to export produce/products of any type.
They blame subsides for low profitability yet fail to grasp just how much the EU's external trade barriers have protected its farmers from the reality of far lower prices on the world markets. :rolleyes: I am sure glad we have both else this farm and many like it would have been abandoned to rewild many years ago!
 

robs1

Member
So far the best you have done seems to be to deny there were any promises :rolleyes: Promises (aka lies) that were enough to swung the crucial 2%.... But whats done is done leavers do not have the utopia that was promised but eventually a new normality will be reached, there will be winner and loosers, farmers will by and large get kicked around but we will change and adapt and life will go on.
How can an organisation that isnt a political party let alone one in power promise anything ?
They stated things that could and should happen, some have some have partially and some not at all yet, Rome wasnt built in a day, we are on a journey, sometimes it will be bumpy but I believe it will be best for the UK .
Remain told plenty of porkies that havent happened and said some things would never happen that already are moving forward, the EU army being the obvious one, yes you will say we had an opt out but do you trust any uk government not to join, we weren't asked if we wanted the euro it was decided for us.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
How can an organisation that isnt a political party let alone one in power promise anything ?
They stated things that could and should happen, some have some have partially and some not at all yet, Rome wasnt built in a day, we are on a journey, sometimes it will be bumpy but I believe it will be best for the UK .
Remain told plenty of porkies that havent happened and said some things would never happen that already are moving forward, the EU army being the obvious one, yes you will say we had an opt out but do you trust any uk government not to join, we weren't asked if we wanted the euro it was decided for us.
:rolleyes: Well I don't recall that little cavate being shared with the voting public at the time.... the word would was certainly branded about far more frequently that the words could or should!! But its long done now, the point is, your Brexit Utopia remains as some future dream, maybe we will get there one day, I truly hope we do because some of the bumps along the way will be pretty sh!t.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
The EU is set on a course that a lot of people aren't happy with.
There is no reasonable likelihood that the direction will change.
The UK voted to change its direction but it will take time to plot the best route and more time to reach the destination.
All the current issues are due to other issues such as covid or would have happened in the future anyway as Eastern European countries 'levelled up', their populations would have been likely to return.
Within 10 years, I think many will accept that leaving was a positive thing in the same way it took many years for it to be accepted that the UK was better off having not joined the Euro.
What rubbish
Not joining the euro was a disaster for farming from 97 to 2007 with the pound ridiculously high.
It screwed many other industries too and opened the floodgates of imports
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
What rubbish
Not joining the euro was a disaster for farming from 97 to 2007 with the pound ridiculously high.
It screwed many other industries too and opened the floodgates of imports
we buggered up our industry ourselves, we were encouraged to produce more and more, by guv, where did it leave us, producing more product, decreasing in price, it was the amount of borrowed money, it took, to do that increase, it just took the majority of profit to fund it, that and making the rules so complex, that they have become a nightmare for many.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
What rubbish
Not joining the euro was a disaster for farming from 97 to 2007 with the pound ridiculously high.
It screwed many other industries too and opened the floodgates of imports



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If you think that then I guess you must be pleased we have left the EU as it has decreased the exchange rate?

And maybe accept that it was a short term problem and in the fullness of time it was generally accepted that having control of our own currency was crucial to our quicker recovery from the last financial crisis which the EU hasn't yet overcome?.....
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Brexit or Covid or the fact that we ( myself included) voted for a comedian who really has no idea what to do. In normal times he wouldn’t have been able to get too much wrong unfortunately these aren’t normal times.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
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If you think that then I guess you must be pleased we have left the EU as it has decreased the exchange rate?

And maybe accept that it was a short term problem and in the fullness of time it was generally accepted that having control of our own currency was crucial to our quicker recovery from the last financial crisis which the EU hasn't yet overcome?.....
If you believe that printing money is a “recovery”.
Ten years of agricultural hell was not a short term problem, compounded by bse and foot and mouth
Those ten years took a terrible toll on the uk farming industry, which would have been a lot less bad inside the eurozone.
It was also the falsely high exchange rate that sucked in so many eastern europeans which ultimately led to brexit.
I was forced out of my farm by the landlord in 2015 at the very low point on your graph
So i got a poor trade for all my equipment and crop, so the brexit boom is largely irrelevant to me.
 

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