News: Group of men caught hare coursing banned from farm land across four counties

Ranger Security Solutions · Sep 29, 2021

A group of men caught hare coursing in Cambridgeshire have been handed orders banning them from any similar activity in four counties.

The men all pleaded guilty to daytime trespass in pursuit of game (poaching) and were each handed a Criminal Behaviour Order lasting three years.

The order covers Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex and prevents them from doing the following:

Being on private agricultural or farm land, or any yards or working areas associated with that land, in or on any vehicle, or on foot whilst in possession of one or more sight hound or x-sight hound breed, unless the land owner’s written permission has been obtained beforehand.

Link: https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...ng-banned-from-farm-land-across-four-counties

Lincoln75 · Sep 29, 2021

Telling pikeys they mustn't commit crime in that area? Yeah that'll work

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Ranger Security Solutions · Sep 29, 2021

Lincoln75 said:
Telling pikeys they mustn't commit crime in that area? Yeah that'll work .

It's quite probable that it won't work; but if they get caught breaking it, then that's when the real punishment can take place. They're more likely to be sent to prison for breaking the CBO, than hare coursing, poaching, etc. It can be seen as a "work around" for existing laws, where punishment is not so much of a deterrent as it should be.

Either the CBO work's, and they stay away; or if it doesn't, then they can be sent to prison.

uztrac · Sep 29, 2021

So it would seem that if they "manage" to enter Rutland for example that they can continue coursing ? The law is a bigger ass than even I thought it was .!!!

Ranger Security Solutions · Sep 29, 2021

uztrac said:
So it would seem that if they "manage" to enter Rutland for example that they can continue coursing ? The law is a bigger ass than even I thought it was .!!!

Given that Rutland is managed by Leicestershire Police, and not one of the four force areas mentioned above, then the CBO will not apply. The key word is "Community", and not "National".

Dry Rot · Sep 29, 2021

So will they be OK if they are on that land but not "in possession" of lurchers, perhaps merely as observers? Sounds like fun!

Ranger Security Solutions · Sep 29, 2021

teslacoils · Sep 30, 2021

So they'll be off to Lincolnshire then. Sigh. I've just been rammed of the road by some. Will be on false plates. What a waste of everyone's time.

Cowmansam · Sep 30, 2021

Chap I know has a defender with a girder front and back and a large v8 in it certainly stops a few

teslacoils · Sep 30, 2021

Yeah, I won't mess around next time.

Ranger Security Solutions · Sep 30, 2021

teslacoils said:
So they'll be off to Lincolnshire then. Sigh. I've just been rammed of the road by some. Will be on false plates. What a waste of everyone's time.

That's not good. What part of Lincs. (or wherever you were) was this? Did you report it to the police?

For everyone - reporting may appear fruitless, but giving the police the facts and figures helps them get more support (funding and resources) in future years, if they can present accurate evidence/intelligence when they go "cap in hand" to their paymasters for their annual cheque. It's a frustrating and lengthy process, but what is needed; doing nothing, achieves nothing.

Current laws need changing, as punishments for trespass, poaching, coursing, etc., are not stringent or a deterrent. The punishment for breaching Community Behaviour Order is more severe and is an available course of action.

By reporting rural crime, it lets government know the extent and impact illegal activity is having on farmers and rural communities. Swamp the police with any information on crime incidents. It's not an overnight fix but it gathers momentum and change will happen for the better, in the long term.

teslacoils · Oct 1, 2021

West Lindsey. Yes, had two police cars out. Car is a write off, and noone to claim against so I guess that's me paying for it.

You can't do nothing. Otherwise it's like watching someone get robbed.

Oliveau · Oct 1, 2021

Some years ago in Wiltshire I had a chainsaw nicked out of my pickup by pikeys - just saw them leaving the yard as I returned with a tractor, and i sa the cover was open on the back so I knew what they'd done. I jumped in the truck & gave chase and eventually caught up with them on the A30 going into Salisbury whereupon they chucked the chainsaw out on the road [It was a Stihl so it survived the impact]. I'd made a 99 call as I drove, giving the rozzers the regno of the pikeys van and details of the route, but they never saw them. Turns out that the plate was off a moped. Rozzers said they knew which pikey encampment to go to, but they wouldn't go as 'it wasn't safe to do so'!

FFS!

farmerm · Oct 1, 2021

Ranger Security Solutions said:
A group of men caught hare coursing in Cambridgeshire have been handed orders banning them from any similar activity in four counties.

The men all pleaded guilty to daytime trespass in pursuit of game (poaching) and were each handed a Criminal Behaviour Order lasting three years.

The order covers Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex and prevents them from doing the following:

Being on private agricultural or farm land, or any yards or working areas associated with that land, in or on any vehicle, or on foot whilst in possession of one or more sight hound or x-sight hound breed, unless the land owner’s written permission has been obtained beforehand.

Link: https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...ng-banned-from-farm-land-across-four-counties

Apart from being nearly pointless telling a criminal they are to stop being a criminal. The stupidity of un-joined regional policing! We live in a small country, why the fk waste ink writing Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex when such orders should simply cover the UK!

teslacoils · Oct 1, 2021

Im unaware of the rest of the UK, but I think now that police can chase them from Humberside into Lincolnshire etc now.

I just feel sad that I can't go out now without a bodycam / dashcam, mobile etc. And tbh last night they would have happily put me in hospital and taken the dash cam if I had one.

So a car on obscured, presumably false plates, unlikely to be taxed, tested or insured, can come drive about on my fields, then zoom off, ram me, write off my car etc and there is nothing that can be done? Do I honestly need a day / night camera with number plate reading at both sides on my farm? Is that really what needs to be done?

What can you do? You catch them and they'll be back and burn your barn down. Or their scum children will beat your own kids up at school.

My farm shouldn't need to be a fortress.

Oh, and well done the chap behind me who didn't bother to stop to see if I was injured. Thanks to the chap who did, and who phoned my Mrs up.

farmerm · Oct 1, 2021

Ranger Security Solutions said:
Given that Rutland is managed by Leicestershire Police, and not one of the four force areas mentioned above, then the CBO will not apply. The key word is "Community", and not "National".

A CBO is a Criminal behaviour order not a community behaviour order is it not?

Can you point out where in the legislation around CBO does it place community limitations on such orders on individuals who clearly have the means and a history of being mobile?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/17/group/FOURTH/part/11/chapter/1/enacted

It is almost like forces that press for a regional CBO simply want to move the problem off their patch which I find pretty appalling.

teslacoils · Oct 1, 2021

It's a badge of honour for these types. They won't care.

Ranger Security Solutions · Oct 1, 2021

farmerm said:
A CBO is a Criminal behaviour order not a community behaviour order is it not?

Can you point out where in the legislation around CBO does it place community limitations on such orders on individuals who clearly have the means and a history of being mobile?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/17/group/FOURTH/part/11/chapter/1/enacted

It is almost like forces that press for a regional CBO simply want to move the problem off their patch which I find pretty appalling.

You are right, my mistake (brain fart) which I realised but then could no longer edit.

I may be wrong but I think police forces can only apply to the court for CBO's in their jurisdiction.

Section 333, sub-section 5 is possibly where the limitations arise.

Requirements included in orders
(1)A criminal behaviour order that includes a requirement must specify the person who is to be responsible for supervising compliance with the requirement.

The person may be an individual or an organisation.

(2)Before including a requirement, the court must receive evidence about its suitability and enforceability from—

(a)the individual to be specified under subsection (1), if an individual is to be specified;

(b)an individual representing the organisation to be specified under subsection (1), if an organisation is to be specified.

(3)Before including two or more requirements, the court must consider their compatibility with each other.

(4)A person specified under subsection (1) must—

(a)make any necessary arrangements in connection with the requirements for which the person has responsibility (the “relevant requirements”);

(b)promote the offender’s compliance with the relevant requirements;

(c)if the person considers that the offender—

(i)has complied with all the relevant requirements, or

(ii)has failed to comply with a relevant requirement,

inform the prosecution and the appropriate chief officer of police.

(5)In subsection (4)(c) “the appropriate chief officer of police” means the chief officer of police for the police area in which it appears to the person specified under subsection (1) that the offender resides.

(6)An offender subject to a requirement in a criminal behaviour order must—

(a)keep in touch with the person specified under subsection (1) in relation to that requirement, in accordance with any instructions given by that person from time to time;

(b)notify the person of any change of address.

These obligations have effect as requirements of the order.

Obviously, nationwide restrictions would be much better, though the police can only act inside the available laws set by parliament.

Ranger Security Solutions · Oct 1, 2021

teslacoils said:
West Lindsey. Yes, had two police cars out. Car is a write off, and noone to claim against so I guess that's me paying for it.

You can't do nothing. Otherwise it's like watching someone get robbed.

It's a totally unfair situation, and I feel your pain. As frustrating and emotive as it is, I never advocate ordinary members of the public to get involved.

You can either end up in hospital, or in handcuffs if you overreact. You can always replace stolen or damaged items.

teslacoils · Oct 1, 2021

If you dont they just keep coming back. I'd always advocate trying to stop crime - as said, you wouldn't walk away from a woman getting raped or a granny getting robbed.

If the ordinary citizen can't, and the police won't, get involved, then we're fuuked.

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