Applying for a Firearms Licence.

Distiller · Oct 2, 2021

Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I am an avid airgunner and full member of my local rifle club since December 2019. The problem arose when I requested my medical records and saw a diagnosis of schizophrenia recorded, but never been diagnosed. So the GP records state, says diagnosis of schizophrenia though I cannot find any letters from the mental health team, to find when this was. I myself am a Clinician and know full well I don't have this disease which makes the situation doubly perplexing and confusing to all. I spent 1000 pounds to get a full Psychiatric assessment and of course it have me the all clear i.e no symptoms and no diagnosis.
But the diagnosis stays on my records, due to foul play and you cannot amend.When it comes to applying for my FAC the Police reject such applications but in my case it's only someone's lying word, which is what I knew all along.
As for me I'm perfectly healthy and fine and have a full time job, and it seems a violation of my Human Rights to possibly deny me a Firearms Licence, just because someone made up a diagnosis. How best to resolve this issue, I have no idea. Perhaps someone could provide some insight into this matter.

tje · Oct 2, 2021

Speak to the BASC .

Formatted · Oct 2, 2021

The police system is working as it should, they aren't experts in mental health and follow what's on the medical record. The issue you have is with the organisation that originally diagnosed you, the NHS has a pretty clear complaints process I would start there https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/how-to-complain-to-the-nhs/

Derrick Hughes · Oct 2, 2021

I'm getting rid of my guns ,no more use for them , save having to bother with a licence ,

betweenthelines · Oct 2, 2021

Distiller said:
Hello,

I'm new to the forum. I am an avid airgunner and full member of my local rifle club since December 2019. The problem arose when I requested my medical records and saw a diagnosis of schizophrenia recorded, but never been diagnosed. So the GP records state, says diagnosis of schizophrenia though I cannot find any letters from the mental health team, to find when this was. I myself am a Clinician and know full well I don't have this disease which makes the situation doubly perplexing and confusing to all. I spent 1000 pounds to get a full Psychiatric assessment and of course it have me the all clear i.e no symptoms and no diagnosis.
But the diagnosis stays on my records, due to foul play and you cannot amend.When it comes to applying for my FAC the Police reject such applications but in my case it's only someone's lying word, which is what I knew all along.
As for me I'm perfectly healthy and fine and have a full time job, and it seems a violation of my Human Rights to possibly deny me a Firearms Licence, just because someone made up a diagnosis. How best to resolve this issue, I have no idea. Perhaps someone could provide some insight into this matter.

Just a few thoughts:

Anyone who does not NEED a firearm other than for "recreational" should be denied a FAC

You have a mental health condition that you refuse to acknowledge

You reaction to a refusal of a FAC indicates you should not be granted a FAC due to anger management issues.

HDAV · Oct 2, 2021

Join a shooting org use their legal helpline, pay for a lawyer…………

Find another hobby (and another forum for firearms advice) ……..

why did you request your medical records? The police request them from your gp….. you just have to pay the gp fees…..

Wilksy · Oct 2, 2021

Maybe it was was your split personality that was diagnosed!…….sorry bad taste but I couldn’t resist
As said being a member of Basc is essential for someone wanting to get into shooting, not just the legal side but a great source of info for all things shooting, they do have to he ear of the politician’s and will be a voice for shooting in the years to come

Lofty1984 · Oct 2, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Just a few thoughts:

Anyone who does not NEED a firearm other than for "recreational" should be denied a FAC

You have a mental health condition that you refuse to acknowledge

You reaction to a refusal of a FAC indicates you should not be granted a FAC due to anger management issues.

Chose to ignore where he said had a full assessment

roscoe erf · Oct 2, 2021

this one won't end well

Highland Mule · Oct 2, 2021

Distiller said:
seems a violation of my Human Rights to possibly deny me a Firearms Licence

Sorry but you’re wrong - it’s a privilege, not a right.

michael N123 · Oct 2, 2021

Derrick Hughes said:
I'm getting rid of my guns ,no more use for them , save having to bother with a licence ,

It’s only £90 every 5 year it’s hardly difficult.. I renewed mine this year and I didn’t even get a interview just a phone call because of covid

roscoe erf · Oct 2, 2021

Highland Mule said:
Sorry but you’re wrong - it’s a privilege, not a right.

same as a driving licence

Scholsey · Oct 2, 2021

A) how are you a clinician if you have a diagnosis for being a schizophrenic on your record

b) why would a doctor maliciously diagnose you with being a schizophrenic surely your records would show when and who by so would be easy to sort

c) why would a farming forum be a good place to bring this up?

d) this is starting to sound like a thread a schizophrenic would start…….

roscoe erf · Oct 2, 2021

britt · Oct 2, 2021

Highland Mule said:
Sorry but you’re wrong - it’s a privilege, not a right.

Actually you're wrong.
It is a right under British law to own a gun, you just have to demonstrate that you are safe to own one and would not represent a danger to others if you do.

Highland Mule · Oct 2, 2021

britt said:
Actually you're wrong.
It is a right under British law to own a gun, you just have to demonstrate that you are safe to own one and would not represent a danger to others if you do.

Gun or firearm? My understanding was you had to show a need for the latter.

Just checked - I’m right. To get a firearm certificate you need to show a good reason for needing one.

Firearms Act 1968

An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Special provisions about firearm certificates.
[F7(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

(c)that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]

britt · Oct 2, 2021

Highland Mule said:
Gun or firearm? My understanding was you had to show a need for the latter.

You do have to show a need, anyone wanting a gun with no obvious need for it, is a cause for concern in itself.

Doing it for the kids · Oct 2, 2021

Highland Mule said:
Gun or firearm? My understanding was you had to show a need for the latter.

Just checked - I’m right. To get a firearm certificate you need to show a good reason for needing one.

Firearms Act 1968

An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Special provisions about firearm certificates.
[F7(1)A firearm certificate shall be granted where the chief officer of police is satisfied—

(a)that the applicant is fit to be entrusted with a firearm to which section 1 of this Act applies and is not a person prohibited by this Act from possessing such a firearm;

(b)that he has a good reason for having in his possession, or for purchasing or acquiring, the firearm or ammunition in respect of which the application is made; and

(c)that in all the circumstances the applicant can be permitted to have the firearm or ammunition in his possession without danger to the public safety or to the peace.]

You do, FAC’s aren’t just dished out like medals at sports day.

britt said:
You do have to show a need, anyone wanting a gun with no obvious need for it, is a cause for concern in itself.

and quite right too. Big difference between gun and FAC certificate.

the OP’s beef should be 100% with the NHS not the police.

how the hell does one get a medical record like that on their notes though with out a) Not knowing about it and b) not choosing to do something about it straight away!? I think there is much more to this story...

we don’t yet know why the OP needs a FAC Either? Given his job I’m not sure one is required!?

betweenthelines · Oct 2, 2021

Scholsey said:
A) how are you a clinician if you have a diagnosis for being a schizophrenic on your record

b) why would a doctor maliciously diagnose you with being a schizophrenic surely your records would show when and who by so would be easy tondort

c) why would a farming forum being a good place to bring this up?

d) this is starting to sound like a thread a schizophrenic would start…….

Every time the OP posts, it tends to further confirm he should never be allowed a weapon

His next post will be that it's not paranoia if everyone really is against you.

ollie989898 · Oct 2, 2021

Very odd thread. An irregularity in ones medical records like that needs investigating properly.

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