Covid Vaccine Roll out.

bobk said:

BBC in overdive now

Delta 'Plus' Covid variant may be more transmissible

It may be more contagious than Delta, but there is no evidence yet that it causes worse illness, experts say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Home working likely to be best way to curb virus - scientists

Tougher measures to stop the spread of coronavirus could be avoided with early action, advisers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Charlie Gill said:

Does make you wonder. They even say within their own report that AY.4.2 is not classified as a variant of concern, do they want us to pretend it is before it is?

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bobk said:

It beggers belief folk can actually think the vaccine is not a revelation regarding covid 19 , the death toll would many times than it is without it , and we would probably still be in lockdown

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Mouser said:

I would have thought if it makes you twice as likely to catch it that would reduce the benefit of having the vaccine by a factor of 2 making it 0.5 or 50% better.
This still doesn't answer the question of how vaccine mandates are in any way useful now that you have u turned on the reduced transmission arguement?

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essex man said:

How much do you think it has affected the death toll in the healthy under 60's , given the tiny number that died pre vaccine?

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lazy farmer said:

Still at it then

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Highland Mule said:

I don't believe it's the vaccine that makes you more likely to catch it - that's entirely within your own control and more a function of reduced social distancing etc. I certainly am far more relaxed about catching it now I know the consequences are so much less likely to be severe, so do go places I wouldn't have remotely considered a year ago.

Or do you believe that it's the presence of vaccine in your body that's making you more receptive to the virus? Interesting theory but not one I've read anywhere else.

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Highland Mule said:

I don't believe it's the vaccine that makes you more likely to catch it - that's entirely within your own control and more a function of reduced social distancing etc. I certainly am far more relaxed about catching it now I know the consequences are so much less likely to be severe, so do go places I wouldn't have remotely considered a year ago.

Or do you believe that it's the presence of vaccine in your body that's making you more receptive to the virus? Interesting theory but not one I've read anywhere else.

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essex man said:

Immunosuppression in the first two weeks following vaccination is thought to cause more infection than would otherwise occur.
This has been widely reported on and probably a good reason to avoid vaccinating in peak months for respiratory virus deaths

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JCMaloney said:

Good grief................ after you get a vaccine your body "learns" the make up of the pathogen.
Short term it tries to fight it, so you might feel rough for a day.
Because the vaccine is designed teach your immune system it creates a "memory" so that next time around your defence recognises the pathogen.

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So having a vaccine does not cause immunosuppresion, but it can take a couple of weeks for your immune system to "learn" the pathogen.

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essex man said:

Could be that the vaccine's success in reducing serious illness makes those vaccinated and infected more likely to go out and spread virus given they don't feel very unwell.

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bobk said:

BBC would , get your booster , we're on own own , Joey can do as he wants .

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Highland Mule said:

That's possible. It's certainly a major contributor to the safe removal of lockdown. The responsible members of the public are minimising the risk of retransmission through regular testing though, which should minimise the effect.

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JCMaloney said:

Good grief................ after you get a vaccine your body "learns" the make up of the pathogen.
Short term it tries to fight it, so you might feel rough for a day.
Because the vaccine is designed teach your immune system it creates a "memory" so that next time around your defence recognises the pathogen.

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So having a vaccine does not cause immunosuppresion, but it can take a couple of weeks for your immune system to "learn" the pathogen.

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Charlie Gill said:

I think he was suggesting that asymptomatic spread is possible. Sshh.

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Highland Mule said:

I don't believe it's the vaccine that makes you more likely to catch it - that's entirely within your own control and more a function of reduced social distancing etc. I certainly am far more relaxed about catching it now I know the consequences are so much less likely to be severe, so do go places I wouldn't have remotely considered a year ago.

Or do you believe that it's the presence of vaccine in your body that's making you more receptive to the virus? Interesting theory but not one I've read anywhere else.

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Mouser said:

So why did you use the 'twice as likely' in your fag packet maths?

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