Have a look down the members with the most posts list on here.Does that mean you have to spend less time on here?!
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Have a look down the members with the most posts list on here.Does that mean you have to spend less time on here?!
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If they behave like arseholes yes I do , if they behave like normal people I treat them very well.No wonder there’s a lack of lorry drivers! Do you speak to them in person like you do about the fat arseholes on here?
As I’ve said, if loading is a pre agreed part of a complete package then it’s OK though I’d still question the wisdom of expecting each HGV driver in a haulage group to load his own lorry at the beet heap. Surely the loading time is eating into the number of loads the driver can move before he’s used his hours up. Is using your hours up on a loader really sensible when you are supposed to be maximising use of the lorry. I’d have thought it much more sensible all round to have a dedicated loader operator from the point of view of commercial viability and HSE but what do I know? If a replacement driver turns up who doesn’t have a loader ticket what happens?As I said I find that astonishing. Are these owner drivers or is the haulier indicating to the farmer his men will load? Round here most of the hauliers are in charge of (and paid for) loading with their own equipment.
On the other hand, I received an invoice in the post from a builder's merchant last month, and a statement in the post separately. The only thing I'd bought is a couple of coach screws when I was passing, for the grand total of 66p!
They have spent more in postage & paper than they will see back, and those little costs will have to be covered from prices generally.
Happy to have invoices emailed here, then at least I've a copy somewhere safe(ish).
The answer to your questions is that in the instance where the haulier is contracted to load the beet it’s his/her decision as to what happens with their employees/machinery. If the drivers are unhappy there’s plenty of other jobs out there. IME the drivers that load themselves are generally the “better” ones and enjoy the responsibility.As I’ve said, if loading is a pre agreed part of a complete package then it’s OK though I’d still question the wisdom of expecting each HGV driver in a haulage group to load his own lorry at the beet heap. Surely the loading time is eating into the number of loads the driver can move before he’s used his hours up. Is using your hours up on a loader really sensible when you are supposed to be maximising use of the lorry. I’d have thought it much more sensible all round to have a dedicated loader operator from the point of view of commercial viability and HSE but what do I know? If a replacement driver turns up who doesn’t have a loader ticket what happens?
Generally expecting drivers to load their own lorries is cutting one corner too many in my view. Never used to happen. Would have been considered discourteous at the very least.
No wonder there’s a lack of lorry drivers! Do you speak to them in person like you do about the fat arseholes on here?
Funnily enough I did ask three drivers this week about shortage , they all laughed and said their is no shortage of drivers !! Their is a shortage of decent employersNo wonder there’s a lack of lorry drivers! Do you speak to them in person like you do about the fat arseholes on here?
There has been an increasing driver shortage for at least 5-10 years Europe wide. Haulge companies should have been sorting things out to get more UK drivers trained especially once brexit happend. Other things such as new legislation coupled with stuff like foreign drivers leaving and covid has meant there isn’t enough UK based drivers.Funnily enough I did ask three drivers this week about shortage , they all laughed and said their is no shortage of drivers !! Their is a shortage of decent employers
It would be easy to get drivers, they just have to double the price of your grain haulageThere has been an increasing driver shortage for at least 5-10 years Europe wide. Haulge companies should have been sorting things out to get more UK drivers trained especially once brexit happend. Other things such as new legislation coupled with stuff like foreign drivers leaving and covid has meant there isn’t enough UK based drivers.
There is undoubtedly a lot of poor employers who have used cheap European labour and there is also massive lack of infrastructure in many destinations and they are also taking the pee using lorries as storage which drives people away.
if I took seriously every story a lorry driver had told me the agricultural industry in my part of the world would look very different to what it does!
Sorry but the attitude you convey in the second sentence illustrates everything that is wrong with farmers’ attitudes to those who work for them.The answer to your questions is that in the instance where the haulier is contracted to load the beet it’s his/her decision as to what happens with their employees/machinery. If the drivers are unhappy there’s plenty of other jobs out there. IME the drivers that load themselves are generally the “better” ones and enjoy the responsibility.
No I’m not. Let’s be clear. My beet haulier is paid to load his lorries as is the norm around here. It’s his choice whether he has a dedicated loader driver or if they do it themselves. I am not everything that’s wrong with farmers attitudes to people who work for them.Sorry but the attitude you convey in the second sentence illustrates everything that is wrong with farmers’ attitudes to those who work for them.
Effectively you are saying a driver should forego one his daily loads to spend in total a couple of hours on what £12 an hour loading his own lorry through the day. Might not matter so much to an employee driver, but to a self employed owner driver it can be costly.
Why the need to print invoices?Print what out?
I’ve no problem with contractual agreements for hauliers to load lorries as part of a package. How it’s managed is then their lookout.No I’m not. Let’s be clear. My beet haulier is paid to load his lorries as is the norm around here. It’s his choice whether he has a dedicated loader driver or if they do it themselves. I am not everything that’s wrong with farmers attitudes to people who work for them.
I don’t need to print invoices, I leave that to those who send themWhy the need to print invoices?
Why would anyone want to waste paper and ink and other tangible planetary resources on asking for payment? You’re obviously on the internet, so surely an emailed request for payment is adequate?I don’t need to print invoices, I leave that to those who send them