Muckspreading insanity

egbert · Nov 24, 2021

I'll play devils advocate for a moment.
How does industry deal with folk whose lagoon is overflowing by February, tempting them to slip out with a few loads alongside the track/over the road hedge etc. however wet it is?
I was out on a job off the hill a couple of winters ago, and saw someone spreading a serious amount of slurry on maize stubbles and grass, in conditions that were clearly waterlogged. It was equally clear, even to a muppet like me, where it was all going to end up. Gateways poached to bu66ery, mud and slurry back on the roads, and dribbly brown stuff oozing straight on down the slopes.

I'll spread a bit of fym/bark compost on inbye late in the winter, if ground conditions allow...but where, and how should the line be drawn?

gone up the hill · Nov 24, 2021

On the cattle muck out of loose housing!

How long does it take to release the N after spreading?

The old boys always said it would take 6 months at least so this muck that will now have to be spread in the spring months will start releasing N in the following Nov/ Dec etc.

Grass here is still growing like hell, AD and dairy farms are still flat out spreading slurry on grass ground, a field beside a road was spread with cow slurry 3 weeks ago, they left about an acre for some reason un spread, that is now yellow whilst the rest of the field is growing away and a nice shade of green so it shows that grass can take up N in the autumn/winter months so the so called ban they are trying to bring in is unworkable and has not a leg to stand on!

daveydiesel1 · Nov 24, 2021

Henarar said:
what months are you banned ?

16th oct to 1st feb for slurry and dung is similar

agrimax · Nov 24, 2021

daveydiesel1 said:
In ni we have been banned from spreadin dung and slurry in winter months for years now is this only comin in now on the mainland

They're banning from the 1st September unless you can prove the next crop needs it. We can still spread slurry til midnight ,15th Oct and dung til 31st Oct.

Henarar said:
what months are you banned ?

We're banned from the above til 1st Feb. All of NI is a NVZ.

topground · Nov 24, 2021

My cattle produce the same amount of muck outwintered as they do on my version of Orkney floors. (No bedding) they are spreading it themselves throughout the year including the period the EA have banned. How long before these idiots seek to ban out wintering?
How will this be enforced and has anyone been prosecuted for ignoring this nonsense?

gone up the hill · Nov 24, 2021

topground said:
My cattle produce the same amount of muck outwintered as they do on my version of Orkney floors. (No bedding) they are spreading it themselves throughout the year including the period the EA have banned. How long before these idiots seek to ban out wintering?
How will this be enforced and has anyone been prosecuted for ignoring this nonsense?

They will make you do what the horsey set do...

Go around poop picking.. ie you will have to pick up all the cattle muck every day from out wintered cattle....

egbert · Nov 24, 2021

topground said:
My cattle produce the same amount of muck outwintered as they do on my version of Orkney floors. (No bedding) they are spreading it themselves throughout the year including the period the EA have banned. How long before these idiots seek to ban out wintering?
How will this be enforced and has anyone been prosecuted for ignoring this nonsense?

keep yer voice down man!

Sid · Nov 24, 2021

gone up the hill said:
On the cattle muck out of loose housing!

How long does it take to release the N after spreading?

The old boys always said it would take 6 months at least so this muck that will now have to be spread in the spring months will start releasing N in the following Nov/ Dec etc.

Grass here is still growing like hell, AD and dairy farms are still flat out spreading slurry on grass ground, a field beside a road was spread with cow slurry 3 weeks ago, they left about an acre for some reason un spread, that is now yellow whilst the rest of the field is growing away and a nice shade of green so it shows that grass can take up N in the autumn/winter months so the so called ban they are trying to bring in is unworkable and has not a leg to stand on!

The issue is not every year, farm,area,muck is the same

gone up the hill · Nov 24, 2021

Sid said:
You just don't get it, the rules atm are in place. Like it or lump it. Without a need you can not spread nutrients.
They maybe incorrect they may be incorrect dates but thems the rules. It maybe dry now but if we have 6 inches of rain next week and the crop hasn't used the nutrients they will be down the river with another black mark against UK farmers.

Having said that, I also think they are wrong, and I think they have been brought in incorrectly and without fair warning.

But by throwing you toys out the pram and saying we have always done it it's OK gets you no where.

Hence why evidence and science is require to prove the need rather than foul language!

You could spread it in March/April/May/ June/ July/ August and are just as likely to get 6 inches of rain the next day as spreading in October!

vinnie123 · Nov 24, 2021

Sid said:
You can't just refuse to go along with a government agency's rules no matter how much you disagree with it

That's like saying don't worry about the new rules on trailers and licences JFDI.

There is alot going on on various fronts right across various sectors. Evidence and science is key to getting the right decision for the industry.

No one is sitting back and not doing anything!

Why not

gone up the hill · Nov 24, 2021

Sid said:
Do say that or they will ban all fertiliser use at all!

In summer less likely , ground conditions more likely to be drier and the crop is growing and taking in nutrients.

Utter rubbish and stop trying to defend this stupid ban.

And with people like you at the NFU who think like you do is it any wonder the NFU is so out of touch with grass roots farmers..

@An Gof

Grass And Grain · Nov 24, 2021

Was there something about it might be OK if its been composted

Sid · Nov 24, 2021

Grass And Grain said:
Was there something about it might be OK if its been composted

Depends on the nutrients content and the crop need, it needs to be science based or the EA aren't going to listen.

It really should have been up to the EA to prove an issue based upon scientific evidence in the first place!

johnb5555 · Nov 24, 2021

Apart from reading on TFF I would not of known there was a spreading ban

bobk · Nov 24, 2021

johnb5555 said:
Apart from reading on TFF I would not of known there was a spreading ban

Yes , no one has informed me ,

gone up the hill · Nov 24, 2021

Sid said:
You obviously haven't read a single word I have written with a response like that.

All the NFU will do is agree with the EA.

Have you seen the thread about RT today where the NFU is trying to claim credit for something they have had nothing to do with?? ( ref import standards being on a par with the UK )

If the leaders of the NFU had a pair of balls between them they would turn around and tell the EA that the ban is unworkable/ unjustified and put UK farmers at a disadvantage and tell them they will instruct their members to not comply with this ban if it is bought in next year.

Of course what Minette will say is : The muckspreading ban is a good idea and will help make UK farmers world leaders in muck spreading which will help the UK AG industry achieve net zero.

Baz65 · Nov 24, 2021

Net zero food

Pan mixer · Nov 24, 2021

The answer is obvious. Everyone turn their muck heap every month for 6 months - it is then compost and OK to spread when you like.

All the nitrogen has gone off into the atmospere and the P and K are all in the dirty water tank which you can spread when you like.

I just need another 2 acres of concrete.

An Gof · Nov 24, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Utter rubbish and stop trying to defend this stupid ban.

And with people like you at the NFU who think like you do is it any wonder the NFU is so out of touch with grass roots farmers..

@An Gof

Don't drag me into it, i've just gone to the cupboard to get a bag of

BrianV · Nov 24, 2021

Sid said:
You just don't get it, the rules atm are in place. Like it or lump it. Without a need you can not spread nutrients.
They maybe incorrect they may be incorrect dates but thems the rules. It maybe dry now but if we have 6 inches of rain next week and the crop hasn't used the nutrients they will be down the river with another black mark against UK farmers.

Having said that, I also think they are wrong, and I think they have been brought in incorrectly and without fair warning.

But by throwing you toys out the pram and saying we have always done it it's OK gets you no where.

Hence why evidence and science is require to prove the need rather than foul language!

And when we get heavy continuous rain next spring & all this newly spread sh!t ends up polluting rivers who bares the responsibility, It's a damm stupid idea that the totally useless NFU should have resisted, they need to grow up & use the need to get rid of sewage sludge as a hammer to threaten the government with!
Of course they wont because the NFU are far too closely cosied up to this bunch of Tory twits.

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