Just puncture the boats

Exfarmer · Nov 26, 2021

Danllan said:
99% of this situation could be stopped overnight if the French Government wanted to do so. It is being used politically - and so are the illegal immigrants - much as Russia and Belarus are on the other side of the continent.

Utter hypocrisy for EUrophiles to condemn what's happening on the Polish border and not what France is allowing on the English Channel coast.

France has very effective armed and security services, they just don't want to use them. Everyone knows that the French could stop this if they wanted to and anyone writing otherwise is a liar, and a fool.

you are absolutely corrector and several of us were warning in 2016 that this would happen. just surprised it took so long.
The position of France re Belarus is incorrect though, Belarus actively promoted and acted as people smugglers selling temporary visas and flights to the people camping on the border with Poland.
France has done nothing of the sort, it is a Schengen country and people are free to flow in at will from its neighbours, whether that be Italy , Belgium Holland or even Germany, where the suspicion is growing, most are coming through.
These people are in fact probably not breaking any serious French law and they are very pleased to see the backs of them , especially if it annoys Les Rostbifs

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Oldmacdonald said:
And I can guarantee @BrianV , @Henarar and @robs1 would be doing the exact same

Having seen on the TFF politics section the sort of folk france attracts, yep any means possible to get out of there

Oldmacdonald · Nov 26, 2021

Henarar said:
Having seen on the TFF politics section the sort of folk france attracts, yep any means possible to get out of there

Ah, so you understand the plight of the migrants and feel empathy with them.

So why the hostility?

ollie989898 · Nov 26, 2021

I have no issue with economic migrants, HOWEVER if a company wants to employ them, then THEY should be their guarantor/sponsor and they should have a limited time in Britain, not longer than 2 years after which their visa expires and they must return home. If individuals abscond the company gets fined. This is the kind of system used abroad. There is no reason the UK should not adopt the same.

People arriving illegally should never be granted asylum. Take their fingerprints and biometrics and deport them immediately. All migrants to have their fingerprints and biometrics taken and ID card issued stating when they came in, how long they are here for and which country they came from. Get caught with no card, deported to the original country. First jet out.

It doesn't need to be difficult.

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Oldmacdonald said:
Ah, so you understand the plight of the migrants and feel empathy with them.

So why the hostility?

what hostility ?
could you quote my posts where I have shown any ?

Danllan · Nov 26, 2021

Exfarmer said:
you are absolutely corrector and several of us were warning in 2016 that this would happen. just surprised it took so long.
The position of France re Belarus is incorrect though, Belarus actively promoted and acted as people smugglers selling temporary visas and flights to the people camping on the border with Poland.
France has done nothing of the sort, it is a Schengen country and people are free to flow in at will from its neighbours, whether that be Italy , Belgium Holland or even Germany, where the suspicion is growing, most are coming through.
These people are in fact probably not breaking any serious French law and they are very pleased to see the backs of them , especially if it annoys Les Rostbifs

No. I didn't accuse France of transporting the illegal immigrants, I do accuse it of using them for political purposes - as per Belarus and Russia.

As for French law... it is illegal to enter France illegally, it is illegal to be in France illegally and it is also illegal to leave France illegally.

Not so long ago the French interior minister was telling us it would be a serious matter if any UK nationals stayed in France without the correct visas etc.... they are liars and hypocrites on this matter and people are dying because of it.

BrianV · Nov 26, 2021

Oldmacdonald said:
Ah, so you understand the plight of the migrants and feel empathy with them.

So why the hostility?

Still wondering your thoughts at what point does the UK say enough migrants have come, Germany opened it's doors to a few thousand & over a million turned up, if you propose an open door policy how many is enough, 50,000, 100,000, 500,000,1m, 5m,10m, all these people who say we should welcome migrants with open hands never put a limit that people can understand.

Muck Spreader · Nov 26, 2021

You have to wonder what planet Johnson and Patel are on if they think Macron is going to agree to British troops patrolling French beaches and then having to accept all the UK's reject migrants. I can only assume such idiotic statements are just for the benefit of the Gammons.

UK troops to patrol French beaches to curb migrant crisis

BRITISH troops will patrol French beaches in a united effort by both countries to tackle the "horrendous" migrant crossings costing so many lives.

www.express.co.uk

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Oldmacdonald said:
Ah, so you understand the plight of the migrants and feel empathy with them.

yes and I think the UK government should put pressure on the French government to treat them better and end their plight and suffering, terrible how they must be treated that they would go to such lengths to leave. we can only be glad that our country is no longer in some sort of union with such a place

BrianV · Nov 26, 2021

Danllan said:
No. I didn't accuse France of transporting the illegal immigrants, I do accuse it of using them for political purposes - as per Belarus and Russia.

As for French law... it is illegal to enter France illegally, it is illegal to be in France illegally and it is also illegal to leave France illegally.

Not so long ago the French interior minister was telling us it would be a serious matter if any UK nationals stayed in France without the correct visas etc.... they are liars and hypocrites on this matter and people are dying because of it.

France is & pretty much always has been Germany's lap dog, whilst it dislikes the migrants as much as we do & is trying as hard as possible to offload as many as it can on us whilst doing so it will never ever criticise Germany's action in causing this never ending crisis.
Our Government has to shoulder the most responsibility for what's happening here by making the UK such a soft touch in stark comparison to much of the EU!

JP1 · Nov 26, 2021

Paraic O'Brien report on the beaches the other night, men, women and children launching from the French coast; Kurds, Iraqis and Syrians

I believe at one time over half of Syria's 20m population were fleeing; largely and initially in to Lebanon

Lowland1 · Nov 26, 2021

BrianV said:
That's fine but where exactly does it all end, the more that come the more that will hear how much better it is compared to what they have at the moment & follow them, all these people that say let them all come never seem to consider how it will all end, you can't just say all come on in but then change your mind when it's too late!
When is enough, what is the limit this small country can hold or want?

Who is saying open the doors. A sound and sustainable plan can be devised. Lots of countries issue work visas with out allowing permanent residency. The prosperity of Germany was built on guest workers invited in after WW2 because so many workers had died fighting in the war. The UK is heading for the same not because of people dying but because they are aging and the birth rates aren’t keeping up. And added bonus is that these temporary workers will send money back to their damaged homeland that helps their economies and makes them look favorably on us.

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Muck Spreader said:
You have to wonder what planet Johnson and Patel are on if they think Macron is going to agree to British troops patrolling French beaches and then having to accept all the UK's reject migrants. I can only assume such idiotic statements are just for the benefit of the Gammons.

UK troops to patrol French beaches to curb migrant crisis

BRITISH troops will patrol French beaches in a united effort by both countries to tackle the "horrendous" migrant crossings costing so many lives.

www.express.co.uk

Full marks to the UK government for making such an offer and it will be interesting to see if the french except or think they have the situation under control in which case they obviously think that people putting to sea from france in overcrowded boats that are not up to the job is not a problem

Muck Spreader · Nov 26, 2021

Danllan said:
As for French law... it is illegal to enter France illegally, it is illegal to be in France illegally and it is also illegal to leave France illegally.

Really! How can it be illegal for someone who theoretically doesn't exist in the fist place to leave the country? :scratchhead:

Exfarmer · Nov 26, 2021

Henarar said:
Full marks to the UK government for making such an offer and it will be interesting to see if the french except or think they have the situation under control in which case they obviously think that people putting to sea from france in overcrowded boats that are not up to the job is not a problem

Come on that is a joke the French allowing our troops there!
Why not invite the French troops here to patrol our beaches to deter this invasion, if Churchill could, I am certain Boris would get away with it and I am sure that it would bring a grin to Macron's face

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Exfarmer said:
Come on that is a joke the French allowing our troops there!
Why not invite the French troops here to patrol our beaches to deter this invasion, if Churchill could, I am certain Boris would get away with it and I am sure that it would bring a grin to Macron's face

Didn't the Polish have a big hand in deterring the invasion of the UK from France at one time ? Its not like there is no president set

Exfarmer · Nov 26, 2021

Henarar said:
Didn't the Polish have a big hand in deterring the invasion of the UK from France at one time ? Its not like there is no president set

oh yes the Polish certainly, De Gaulle and his Free French played a part.
Of course we also recruited a lot of other nationalities too.
Perhaps we could invite other nations as well troops particularly Moslem from Pakistan ( now) were very well regarded and I am certain if we sent an invitation they would be over here by the boat load

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Exfarmer said:
oh yes the Polish certainly, De Gaulle and his Free French played a part.
Of course we also recruited a lot of other nationalities too.
Perhaps we could invite other nations as well troops particularly Moslem from Pakistan ( now) were very well regarded and I am certain if we sent an invitation they would be over here by the boat load

So you agree it's not unheard of

Henarar · Nov 26, 2021

Having said that you can't help some and that nasty mac'y is one of them

robs1 · Nov 26, 2021

Oldmacdonald said:
And I can guarantee @BrianV , @Henarar and @robs1 would be doing the exact same too.

If I wanted to move to a different country for financial reasons I would do so via the legal route, if my family were in danger I may well do anything to save them, however that would involve removing them from danger, that makes them refugees not economic migrants which I would be if I ran off to a different country to make a better life while leaving my wife kids and grandkids in danger.
Perhaps you would care to apologise for your slurs on my character.

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