To mask up or not?

It's not data you speculating about people who have already been vaccinated being More at risk from Covid than those that haven't.
It's plain bull

When you say at "risk from covid" what do you mean? At risk from getting ill from it? Dying from it? Having a cold for a day? There are many different types of risk but we are still pretending everyones risk is equal even though it is plainly not.

You may not like the information but its in the Lancet - it just doesn't fit what you have been conditioned to think.

There has been a lot of conditioning going on. At what stage do you think the virus is not what it was in the beginning?
 
Last edited:
I think the number of cases in any particular group is pretty much irrelevant, it's the number of people that end up in hospital or the mortuary that interests most people!

I dunno. Lots of the media and govt edicts are getting off on "cases rising" all the time. In fact we locked down this time last year based on cases not on deaths. We mask up based on cases. So it would be odd to assume all those actions are cost free because they are not.

The number of people in hospital or a mortuary are important. At the moment its pretty flat and has been for 10 months or so and that is largely "with" covid.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Why is it misleading? Its data.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, I am vaccinated. I'm saying you should not be discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason (or statistically do not need it - like people under 30)

You say its personal choice but its getting less so with the advent of vaccine passports etc which do nothing about the virus. I don't think its ethical at all. EU is suggesting mandatory vaccinations.
This part is totally misleading speculation for a start….
Its not the unvaccinated driving this. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see after the vaccine wears off that people end up slightly more vulnerable hence the drive for continual jabbing. [end]
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
I think everyone is partly right. Vaccines have been a " disappointment " if they don't stop the spread of the virus. Not quite the magic bullet if you need booster jabs, or different vaccines for new variants. The only tried and tested means of control are masks and lockdowns.
" Getting back to normal " has quite frankly only prolonged the agony. What future historians will make of our priorities to go on holiday / rugby matches / Christmas parties rather than stamp out covid remains to be seen. Past generations put their lives on hold between 1939-45 to get the job done.
 
I think everyone is partly right. Vaccines have been a " disappointment " if they don't stop the spread of the virus. Not quite the magic bullet if you need booster jabs, or different vaccines for new variants. The only tried and tested means of control are masks and lockdowns.
" Getting back to normal " has quite frankly only prolonged the agony. What future historians will make of our priorities to go on holiday / rugby matches / Christmas parties rather than stamp out covid remains to be seen. Past generations put their lives on hold between 1939-45 to get the job done.

You won't stamp out covid though.
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
I think everyone is partly right. Vaccines have been a " disappointment " if they don't stop the spread of the virus. Not quite the magic bullet if you need booster jabs, or different vaccines for new variants. The only tried and tested means of control are masks and lockdowns.
" Getting back to normal " has quite frankly only prolonged the agony. What future historians will make of our priorities to go on holiday / rugby matches / Christmas parties rather than stamp out covid remains to be seen. Past generations put their lives on hold between 1939-45 to get the job done.
I don't think getting back to normal has prolonged the agony at all. we could have stayed in continuous lockdown for the past 20 months but what state would we be in now, its clear we cant really control this virus so what choice do we really have other than try and live with it as best we can.
 

BrianV

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor

89% of covid cases for over 60's for the fully vaccinated
3.4% unvaccinated

Its not the unvaccinated driving this. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see after the vaccine wears off that people end up slightly more vulnerable hence the drive for continual jabbing.

This is all fine of course as long as people are not mandated into being jabbed and it remains a choice rather than a coercion, rather than vax shaming the unvaccinated (especially children and teens who really don't need this)


More than a million people in the UK continue to experience long Covid, new figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest.

An estimated 1.2 million people in private households reported having long Covid in the four weeks to 31 October. Of these 1.2 million, 439,000 first had - or suspected they had - the virus at least a year ago.

The ONS figures are broadly unchanged from a month ago, but are higher than earlier in the year.

The latest estimate of 1.2 million is up from 945,000 at the start of July and 1.1 million in early September.

Prevalence of long Covid among young people has also increased compared with earlier in the year, the ONS found.

Fatigue continues to be the most common symptom (experienced by 54% of those with self-reported long Covid), followed by shortness of breath (36%), loss of smell (35%) and difficulty concentrating (28%).
 
More than a million people in the UK continue to experience long Covid, new figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest.

An estimated 1.2 million people in private households reported having long Covid in the four weeks to 31 October. Of these 1.2 million, 439,000 first had - or suspected they had - the virus at least a year ago.

The ONS figures are broadly unchanged from a month ago, but are higher than earlier in the year.

The latest estimate of 1.2 million is up from 945,000 at the start of July and 1.1 million in early September.

Prevalence of long Covid among young people has also increased compared with earlier in the year, the ONS found.

Fatigue continues to be the most common symptom (experienced by 54% of those with self-reported long Covid), followed by shortness of breath (36%), loss of smell (35%) and difficulty concentrating (28%).

A lot of these are self diagnosed cases. Long Covid is basically post viral syndrome repackaged. I don't doubt some people do have post viral syndrome and if you have a nasty bout of a virus it can definitely take time to get over.

You won't get me denying its a nasty virus for some people.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
89% of covid cases for over 60's for the fully vaccinated
3.4% unvaccinated
Assuming you're correct, and I haven't got any inclination to check, so what? Given that the vaccine uptake amongst that group is running at well over 95%, that indicates that the vaccinated are actually less likely to be a covid case than the unvaccinated.

Why is it misleading? Its data.

Yes, it's data (uncited, as usual from you, so possibly lies), but you are either deliberately presenting a partial story in a disingeuous manner for reasons unknown or else you have no clue about statistics and are just copying anti vax posts from some other social media source. Frankly, I don't care which.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I think everyone is partly right. Vaccines have been a " disappointment " if they don't stop the spread of the virus. Not quite the magic bullet if you need booster jabs, or different vaccines for new variants. The only tried and tested means of control are masks and lockdowns.
" Getting back to normal " has quite frankly only prolonged the agony. What future historians will make of our priorities to go on holiday / rugby matches / Christmas parties rather than stamp out covid remains to be seen. Past generations put their lives on hold between 1939-45 to get the job done.

The flu vaccine never stopped the spread. And Covid is a flu type virus. And when the world gets back to some form of normality then we shall get round to an annual vaccine, if you want it. But seems it may well ne mandated for the 'shall we say over 60's' who knows. I am over 60 (reluctantly!!!!) and never yet bothered with a flu vaccine. Have had the Covid vaccines and the booster as seemed sensible and it seemed only way to have that bloomin' Covid pass on the NHS app. I cannot abide that test thing stuck up my nose, so the app pass seemed the compromise. Got me into Potato event at Harrogate last week and the Eastern farm Conference. And hopefully The Engine Shed Monday coming to see The Charlatans. A few of my 60 year old colleagues have now had Covid and I am coming across more younger folk as they get it from their school kids. And in general reporting feeling to varying degrees a bit rough for two or three days. None of them been hospitalised or even seen a doctor (not that you can see a doctor now as they have gone to ground). Anyway I expect with my luck I will be the poor beggar that ends up real poorly when I eventually catch it - as I expect we all will eventually.
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
Assuming you're correct, and I haven't got any inclination to check, so what? Given that the vaccine uptake amongst that group is running at well over 95%, that indicates that the vaccinated are actually less likely to be a covid case than the unvaccinated.



Yes, it's data (uncited, as usual from you, so possibly lies), but you are either deliberately presenting a partial story in a disingeuous manner for reasons unknown or else you have no clue about statistics and are just copying anti vax posts from some other social media source. Frankly, I don't care which.
It's from the lancet actually.
 
Assuming you're correct, and I haven't got any inclination to check, so what? Given that the vaccine uptake amongst that group is running at well over 95%, that indicates that the vaccinated are actually less likely to be a covid case than the unvaccinated.



Yes, it's data (uncited, as usual from you, so possibly lies), but you are either deliberately presenting a partial story in a disingeuous manner for reasons unknown or else you have no clue about statistics and are just copying anti vax posts from some other social media source. Frankly, I don't care which.

Its data from the Lancet you pillock - not uncited at all. Click on the link if you want or not if you don't want to know.

Vaccinated are not less likely to be a covid case at all.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Its data from the Lancet you pillock - not uncited at all. Click on the link if you want or not if you don't want to know.

Vaccinated are not less likely to be a covid case at all.

Forgive me for not noticing that link - it wasn't obvious as a link. Perhaps someone who wasn't a pillock would have cited it properly.

As for vaccinated being less likely, when 89% of cases come from 95% of the population, that's less likely acording to any logical metric. Unless you're being deliberately disingenuous though, which you may well be (and aren't denying).
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 81 42.2%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 68 35.4%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.6%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.6%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

  • 1,294
  • 1
As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
Top