Excellent article about vegans getting ill.

Barleycorn · Dec 4, 2021

And in the Grauniad too!

Abuse, intimidation, death threats: the vicious backlash facing former vegans

Going vegan has never been more popular – but some people who try it and then decide to reintroduce animal products face shocking treatment

www.theguardian.com

betweenthelines · Dec 4, 2021

Doesn't look like vegans believe in "live and let live"

I would dispute the figures for "new" vegans as quoted in the article-I suspect they include those who try being vegan for a few weeks then revert to a normal diet.

primmiemoo · Dec 4, 2021

About time the Grauniad bucked up. Before the pandemic, I watched an intelligent, educated, kind, decent young man lose energy and condition over the course of the 6 months of his employment where I was working ~ because he had embraced veganism. I couldn't be sure if he had also developed an eating disorder, but his decline was painful to see. I have to hope he has recovered his health and is eating a healthy diet again.

Ffermer Bach · Dec 4, 2021

excellent article, I agree with it.

Swarfmonkey · Dec 4, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Doesn't look like vegans believe in "live and let live"

SOP for a cult. The people they hate most are those who come to their senses and leave.

som farmer · Dec 4, 2021

we had long term vegans in the village, not zealots, but they, and their kids just look unhealthy, would be very surprised if concerns hadn't been raised over the kids, they just didn't grow

Ffermer Bach · Dec 4, 2021

som farmer said:
we had long term vegans in the village, not zealots, but they, and their kids just look unhealthy, would be very surprised if concerns hadn't been raised over the kids, they just didn't grow

I am sure social services could Zoom meeting them!

Ffermer Bach · Dec 4, 2021

I stayed on an organic sheep farm in New Zealand, and I remember the farmer telling me, he used to be vegetarian but found he did not have the energy to do the farm work, so he started eating meat once a week or so and he said his energy levels went up, so that is what he continued to do.

SteveHants · Dec 4, 2021

The most pertinent (to this board) thing for me in the article is that veganism has "exploded" from 150,000 of them in 2014 to 600,000 today.

The population of the UK is 67 million, so I'm really not sure why we are so worried.

britishblue · Dec 4, 2021

Best story I heard was of a Peebles girl who had been having trouble getting in calf and her doctor advised her to start eating meat and have a normal balanced diet. 3 kids later she has left veganism long behind!

Wooly · Dec 4, 2021

The penny might be dropping. Even the BBC posted an article of the benefits of eating dairy products today.

Is some saturated fat better for health than we think?

BBC Food

www.bbc.co.uk

Ffermer Bach · Dec 4, 2021

Wooly said:
The penny might be dropping. Even the BBC posted an article of the benefits of eating dairy products today.

Is some saturated fat better for health than we think?

BBC Food

www.bbc.co.uk

interesting article, of the course the experts who disagree will be using every weapon in the book to keep believing that all fat is bad for you, and the vegan meat is bad for climate brigade will never believe anything animal can be good for our health.

Gong Farmer · Dec 4, 2021

Ffermer Bach said:
interesting article, of the course the experts who disagree will be using every weapon in the book to keep believing that all fat is bad for you, and the vegan meat is bad for climate brigade will never believe anything animal can be good for our health.

That's the lunacy of it, we have evolved as omnivores. If they want us to be plant eaters they'll have to learn all about genetic modification to change our basic biology.

slackjawedyokel · Dec 4, 2021

Give it a few weeks -bet these publications will be promoting vegan Ian again come January

steveR · Dec 4, 2021

primmiemoo said:
About time the Grauniad bucked up. Before the pandemic, I watched an intelligent, educated, kind, decent young man lose energy and condition over the course of the 6 months of his employment where I was working ~ because he had embraced veganism. I couldn't be sure if he had also developed an eating disorder, but his decline was painful to see. I have to hope he has recovered his health and is eating a healthy diet again.

There is a strong case to suggest that veganism is an "eating disorder" in itself....

I have seen a similiar instance several years ago, happily the guy split from his vegan partner and looks better on an omnivorous diet now.

Wooly · Dec 4, 2021

steveR said:
There is a strong case to suggest that veganism is an "eating disorder" in itself....

Not just an eating disorder................ I do think that their brains are not wired up properly with some of the twaddle that comes from them !!

steveR · Dec 4, 2021

Wooly said:
Not just an eating disorder................ I do think that their brains are not wired up properly with some of the twaddle that comes from them !!

Well eating disorders are often a mental condition...

Jerry · Dec 4, 2021

SteveHants said:
The most pertinent (to this board) thing for me in the article is that veganism has "exploded" from 150,000 of them in 2014 to 600,000 today.

The population of the UK is 67 million, so I'm really not sure why we are so worried.

I think it said something along the lines that 600000 expressed an interest in veganuary.

Fine, maybe so, indeed I was one of them who signed up to keep an eye on what they said. I bet a good % of them had no intention of going vegan permanently.

primmiemoo · Dec 4, 2021

Wooly said:
Not just an eating disorder................ I do think that their brains are not wired up properly with some of the twaddle that comes from them !!

Eating disorders can be complex. I haven't experienced any myself, but some people seem to be predisposed to them, and some seem to aquire them. A young woman I know seems to have been triggered into anorexia by keeping poor company. She was in effect coerced into vegan plus excessive exercise, and spent time in hospital beginning the long journey back to reasonable physical health. Her mental health was slower to catch up.

DeeGee · Dec 4, 2021

I confess that I too, like vegans, have an eating disorder. I just can’t stop eating.
I would love to be an anorexic lentil chewing stick insect rather than a fat bustard, but that’s life.

You will never ‘win’ an argument with overtly committed vegans.
Annoying though they may be, the best answer is to just ignore them. They hate being ignored.

Excellent article about vegans getting ill.

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