Sustainable Farming Incentive: how the scheme will work in 2022

Sustainable farming incentive details published today 2 December 2021

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delilah

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i thought all experts start sentences with 'So' ?

Oh go on then, I will bite :) .

You saying I come across as a smart arse ? 100%. I have been saying what ELMS should look like from the very first days of it being discussed on here. I said what the SFI needs to look like, and why, before Defra had even started calling it the SFI. It's all attached. They will get there in the end. Smart arsey enough for you ?

I have also tried, very hard, to get folks on here to share their co-design submissions.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/elms-co-design-submissions.339171/
Next to no success with that one, as all the muppets on here want to do is bitch and whinge rather than actually make constructive suggestions.

Smart arse and patronizing in one post. You're welcome (y) .
 

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Hi thats not totally clear.If you have one field of 50 hectares ,is it 50 tests for SOM.
YOUR WRITTEN DEFRA .GOV STATEMENT SAYS
" land parcel is a field."
info detail on SOM says,
SOM"applies to all land parcels(ie fields from above) in the standard.
I think the current wording is unclear and needs to be rewritten to clearly state what you require,
do you want SOM per field entered ?
or once for whole hectareage ?
or for a certain number of hectares.?
many thanks
Probably will require 50 samples mixed up
then a single test from the bulk…..
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Hi thats not totally clear.If you have one field of 50 hectares ,is it 50 tests for SOM.
YOUR WRITTEN DEFRA .GOV STATEMENT SAYS
" land parcel is a field."
info detail on SOM says,
SOM"applies to all land parcels(ie fields from above) in the standard.
I think the current wording is unclear and needs to be rewritten to clearly state what you require,
do you want SOM per field entered ?
or once for whole hectareage ?
or for a certain number of hectares.?
many thanks

Seemed pretty clear to me - but now after reading the various posts on here I am not so sure! Which I find is often the case. I think by the way you are over complicating.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Seemed pretty clear to me - but now after reading the various posts on here I am not so sure! Which I find is often the case. I think by the way you are over complicating.
It was clear until @Janet Hughes Defra mentioned a sample per ha, (which I can’t actually believe is correct). It seems what is actually going to be required is evolving in front of us.
 
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B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
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Rutland
Oh go on then, I will bite :) .

You saying I come across as a smart arse ? 100%. I have been saying what ELMS should look like from the very first days of it being discussed on here. I said what the SFI needs to look like, and why, before Defra had even started calling it the SFI. It's all attached. They will get there in the end. Smart arsey enough for you ?

I have also tried, very hard, to get folks on here to share their co-design submissions.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/elms-co-design-submissions.339171/
Next to no success with that one, as all the muppets on here want to do is bitch and whinge rather than actually make constructive suggestions.

Smart arse and patronizing in one post. You're welcome (y) .
I’m not convinced your idea is as clever as you seem to think it is.
But I do appreciate you are coming at it from a “local food, for local people” perspective.
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
He must be, 23 pages on the future of sustaining an income stream and not a peep.

nope just got 2 young kids and a life ! (busy long weekend !) I don't read every word posted on TFF believe it or not !


re the jist of influence comments, I have no more or less influence than any other farmer has, I have got involved where I can and made my views and opinions clear, any single one of you could have done the same if you could be bothered to the only things I have been involved in have been open to any farmer, nothing paid or special; etc, I've given up time and made effort to make sure what might suit me is represented in these new schemes .......... as have many other farmers

DEFRA and many others that represent UK framers read TFF religiously so increasingly know what you all think/want and general speaking try to act upon it, you all actually steer policy more than I think you would believe these days
 
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neilo

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Montgomeryshire
It was clear until @Janet Hughes Defra mentioned a sample per ha, (which I can’t actually believe is correct). It seems what is actually going to be required is evolving in front of us.

She didn't say a sample per hectare, only that it would be based on hectares, not fields. I'm sure clarification will come out at a later date, but it could just as easily be one sample per 5ha, or 10ha, etc. Even that would be lots of samples across some of those barren Eastern Counties prairie 'fields'.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
She didn't say a sample per hectare, only that it would be based on hectares, not fields. I'm sure clarification will come out at a later date, but it could just as easily be one sample per 5ha, or 10ha, etc. Even that would be lots of samples across some of those barren Eastern Counties prairie 'fields'.
That might be what she meant to say, but here is what she actually said in 3 separate posts:
That's not right - the testing will be on a per hectare basis, not a per parcel basis - we'll set this out in guidance before the scheme launches

No, the tests will be per hectare, not per field

We'll set out guidance about how to do the testing, but the guidance will be per hectare, not per field. Yes, it's every 5 years.
 
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manhill

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Oh go on then, I will bite :) .

You saying I come across as a smart arse ? 100%. I have been saying what ELMS should look like from the very first days of it being discussed on here. I said what the SFI needs to look like, and why, before Defra had even started calling it the SFI. It's all attached. They will get there in the end. Smart arsey enough for you ?

I have also tried, very hard, to get folks on here to share their co-design submissions.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/elms-co-design-submissions.339171/
Next to no success with that one, as all the muppets on here want to do is bitch and whinge rather than actually make constructive suggestions.

Smart arse and patronizing in one post. You're welcome (y) .
Dunno about all that but have noticed when experts are being interviewed the first word out of their mouths is 'so,'
Funny how things catch on.
 

Walton2

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We've been doing the health plan/accredited herd with our Devon's for a while now and you will soon rattle through £522 @Sprog, not to mention the blood testing and tissue tags.
Just looked on website. Hill court farm research charge £7.50 for organic matter per sample. So a portion of fish and chips every few years per parcel of land. And as a revenue expenditure item it goes in the P&L against tax. Hey ho.
Well the GPs took some bribing to stick a needle in folks arms, so why not bribe a few farmers to go direct drilling?
£15 a jab apparently, an extra £5 on weekends !! And ,of course they get the nurses to do it! All down to the great negotiation by Blair government.
 

delilah

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I’m not convinced your idea is as clever as you seem to think it is.
But I do appreciate you are coming at it from a “local food, for local people” perspective.

Thanks for reading. Would be pleased to discuss the areas where you feel it falls down, PM if prefer.
 
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