Sustainable Farming Incentive: how the scheme will work in 2022

Sustainable farming incentive details published today 2 December 2021

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BrianV

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we def dont want headage payments , variable premium was better , all those sht stock that should be culled breeding year after year .
You speak for yourself, headage payments with limits & only on beef cattle would be fine, these in NI etc are the very people that when the beef price collapses which it will that we will have to compete with on a fair & even basis, it is living in a fools paradise to believe the prices we are at the moment getting will last!
 

andybk

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You speak for yourself, headage payments with limits & only on beef cattle would be fine, these in NI etc are the very people that when the beef price collapses which it will that we will have to compete with on a fair & even basis, it is living in a fools paradise to believe the prices we are at the moment getting will last!
i dont know the case in NI for beef , disaster for sheep , still think variable premium was better , because it encouraged quality carcase , exactly the type required for export, and improvements for the national herd/ flock
 

DRC

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i dont know the case in NI for beef , disaster for sheep , still think variable premium was better , because it encouraged quality carcase , exactly the type required for export, and improvements for the national herd/ flock
The ‘Make up’ as my father used to call it .
 

serf

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we def dont want headage payments , variable premium was better , all those sht stock that should be culled breeding year after year .
Fair point , sh!t was kept alive to claim , as always wheres there's a scheme there's a schemer instead of playing by the spirit of the scheme !
 

BrianV

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Fair point , sh!t was kept alive to claim , as always wheres there's a scheme there's a schemer instead of playing by the spirit of the scheme !
It will be essential that we are competing on a level playing field & not hung out to dry by Defra's & the Tories eco fanatics, otherwise we really will be in trouble!
At least in NI they are attempting to devise a scheme that will be workable for all involved instead of a conflaluted miss mash that is being put to us!
 

neilo

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i dont know the case in NI for beef , disaster for sheep , still think variable premium was better , because it encouraged quality carcase , exactly the type required for export, and improvements for the national herd/ flock

Variable Premium doesn’t do much to help the true hill flocks though.
 

neilo

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Fair point , sh!t was kept alive to claim , as always wheres there's a scheme there's a schemer instead of playing by the spirit of the scheme !

To qualify it had to be within spec at the point of sale, so the ‘sh!t kept alive’ would have to be in reasonable order.

I somehow doubt we’ll see a return of ear punches and blood everywhere in the markets. They would want to record the Eid tag numbers as they went, which would be a lot easier to cut out & replace than collecting up all those ear plugs to stick back in.🤐😂
 

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Area aids and headage payments key part of NI farm support​


UFU president Victor Chestnutt, Robert Workman, farmer in Larne, and Daera minister Edwin Poots © UFU
UFU president Victor Chestnutt, Robert Workman, farmer in Larne, and Daera minister Edwin Poots © UFU
A major consultation has been launched in Northern Ireland seeking views on a wide range of policy measures that will form the basis of future post-Brexit support for farmers – including direct area payments and headage payments.
It follows on from the Future Agricultural Policy Framework Portfolio launched by agriculture minster Edwin Poots last August, adding considerable detail to the broad objectives of increased farm productivity, care for the environment, business resilience and a fairer supply chain.
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“This is the first time in almost 50 years that we have a unique opportunity to redefine our agricultural policy and target support to meet our local priorities and needs much more effectively,” said Mr Poots.
“Schemes and support are needed to help farmers develop their businesses, no matter where they farm, to become more efficient and to maximise the sustainable returns they can achieve from the assets at their disposal.”

Consultation details​

The consultation, which runs to 124 pages, describes eight main workstreams, as follows:
  1. A resilience measure – with area-based income payments to provide a basic safety net. This will account for the bulk of the support budget initially, but will be reduced over time. It will include “farm sustainability standards” to replace current cross-compliance.
    Plus…. A crisis framework – including market intervention and private storage aid in the event of a market collapse.
  2. A headage sustainability package – accounting for 17% of the budget, this will include support for suckler cows and a “beef transformation measure”.
  3. A farming for nature package – with bespoke agri-environment schemes which, over time, will become the “central plank” of support in NI.
  4. Farming for carbon measures – providing incentives and training to cut emissions.
  5. An investment measure – with grants to increase productivity and to reduce carbon, ammonia and nitrate emissions.
  6. Knowledge measures – with an emphasis on continual professional development.
  7. A generational renewal measure – to transition farming businesses to those with better training and skills, and who have “a longer investment horizon”.
  8. Supply chain measures – encouraging farmer collaboration and a fairer supply chain.
The consultation explores each of these in considerable detail, and then asks stakeholders a series of specific questions relating to each.
For example, on the resilience measure it explains that future payments will be made on an area basis, triggered by land entitlements, which will continue to be transferable. The minimum claim size will rise to 10ha.

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The money will only go to active farmers – excluding those who simply have grass-selling businesses or just manage their land to achieve good agricultural and environmental condition (GAEC) – and payments will be progressively capped above £60,000.

Reaction​

Initial farmer response has been positive.
Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU) president Victor Chestnutt described it as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to redefine agriculture policies and support.
“It’s extremely positive that the focus of the new future ag policy is on active farmers and growers,” he said.
“Working to meet the growing demand for food both at home and abroad, while also protecting the environment and meeting the demands of climate change, it’s vital that our members are equipped with the right tools to become more efficient resulting in maximum returns.”
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If only the minions at Defra were half as intelligent!!

It appears that all three devolved administrations are looking to keep some degree of support for food production and ‘farming’, with only DEFRA wanting to completely separate their schemes from that most important of public good.
 

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It appears that all three devolved administrations are looking to keep some degree of support for food production and ‘farming’, with only DEFRA wanting to completely separate their schemes from that most important of public good.
That's the whole point though, surely? The most important of public goods as you put it, is totally undervalued. Whole systems are geared towards oversupply which results in rock bottom prices.
Until producers stop producing as much as they can and selling at cost, we will carry on working for nothing.

Subsidies only prolong the agony by allowing uneconomic methods of food production to continue.
 

BrianV

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That's the whole point though, surely? The most important of public goods as you put it, is totally undervalued. Whole systems are geared towards oversupply which results in rock bottom prices.
Until producers stop producing as much as they can and selling at cost, we will carry on working for nothing.

Subsidies only prolong the agony by allowing uneconomic methods of food production to continue.
In a dream world maybe, but we are living in the real world where trade deals will eventually effect us & not in a good way, most sensible governments are at least making sure there is a safety net to protect the most vulnerable, unfortunately dreamers such as yourself are the ones Bozo & Defra prefer to listen to.
Subsidies will only disappear when the whole world decide to do it, until then we are all competitors in a global market!
 

BrianV

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It appears that all three devolved administrations are looking to keep some degree of support for food production and ‘farming’, with only DEFRA wanting to completely separate their schemes from that most important of public good.
The sooner this useless government is gone the better as Defra are being influenced by Bozo's eco clowns!
 

Humble Village Farmer

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In a dream world maybe, but we are living in the real world where trade deals will eventually effect us & not in a good way, most sensible governments are at least making sure there is a safety net to protect the most vulnerable, unfortunately dreamers such as yourself are the ones Bozo & Defra prefer to listen to.
Subsidies will only disappear when the whole world decide to do it, until then we are all competitors in a global market!
"Dreamers like me" are trying to farm without the need for subsidies. And I don't consider landowners getting subsidies as a safety net to protect the most vulnerable.
 

BrianV

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"Dreamers like me" are trying to farm without the need for subsidies. And I don't consider landowners getting subsidies as a safety net to protect the most vulnerable.
Subsidies can & should be limited to working farmers as they are in most sensible countries, unfortunately we have a so called National Farming Union that is more a Country Landowners Union that makes damm sure the big estates come first with everyone else a very poor second!
Farming in this country without subsidies is very doable for just as long as our prices cover all costs but that will not always be the case no mater how good a farmer you are & at that point it is the countries that have retained a base support that will keep their farmers in business, unless of course you think factory farming on a grand scale is this countries future.
 

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Subsidies can & should be limited to working farmers as they are in most sensible countries, unfortunately we have a so called National Farming Union that is more a Country Landowners Union that makes damm sure the big estates come first with everyone else a very poor second!
absolutely this ^
NE / NT and rspb another bunch of scroungers, i have no problem if hmg wants to fund them but it shouldnt come out the ag pot . that should be for a vibrant domestic and export industry ,Very clever lobbying getting policy changed to a environmental focus ,its BPS windfall was used to good effect(on land that was sort of farmed in a loose sense )
 
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Humble Village Farmer

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Subsidies can & should be limited to working farmers as they are in most sensible countries, unfortunately we have a so called National Farming Union that is more a Country Landowners Union that makes damm sure the big estates come first with everyone else a very poor second!
Farming in this country without subsidies is very doable for just as long as our prices cover all costs but that will not always be the case no mater how good a farmer you are & at that point it is the countries that have retained a base support that will keep their farmers in business, unless of course you think factory farming on a grand scale is this countries future.
You're missing the point which is that subsidies allow uneconomic practices to continue. Why should we need them at all?

People will never value food while there's too much of it.

The corporate food system loves subsidies. They can buy at the cost of production and the supply keeps coming. There's always another mug to work for nothing.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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absolutely this ^
NE / NT and rspb another bunch of scroungers, i have no problem if hmg wants to fund them but it shouldnt come out the ag pot . that should be for a vibrant domestic and export industry ,Very clever lobbying getting policy changed to a environmental focus ,its BPS windfall was used to good effect
Yes but the subsidy always finds its way back to the landowner in the form of rent.
 

andybk

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You're missing the point which is that subsidies allow uneconomic practices to continue. Why should we need them at all?

People will never value food while there's too much of it.

The corporate food system loves subsidies. They can buy at the cost of production and the supply keeps coming. There's always another mug to work for nothing.
thats why previous funding of MAFF and experimental farms involving testing various farming systems and practices benefited the whole industry, support of the 60-70s was far better spent than the CAP that encouraged bad practice as everyone chased the cash in one form of the other and raised rents because it was related to land ownership .
 
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BrianV

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You're missing the point which is that subsidies allow uneconomic practices to continue. Why should we need them at all?

People will never value food while there's too much of it.

The corporate food system loves subsidies. They can buy at the cost of production and the supply keeps coming. There's always another mug to work for nothing.
I think you're missing the point, I'm sure we would all prefer that the subsidies stopped & prices were realistic but that will never happen for as long as the EU & the devolved UK governments are prepared to subsidise their farmers properly then we will be forced to compete with them & when prices eventually start falling English farmers will be at a serious disadvantage.
 
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