Teacher sacked for kicking a horse

Longlowdog

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Livestock Farmer
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Aberdeenshire
My farrier literally flipped over backwards our Fell foal who was ordinarily a lovely critter but who mid way through having his feet trimmed (he had been done before) threw a hissy fit. Foal reared, farrier put his shoulder under his brisket and helped him complete the circle. The foal stood up nice as pie, shook the dust from himself and never again tried to assert his dominance over any other farrier. One instance of discipline established a behavioral pattern that stayed with him for life.
My friends daughter has fur baby horses that bite, kick and rear when you go near their feet and have to be heavily sedated before the latest of a long string of farriers unwilling to be hurt will attend. I often wonder what effect a single well timed noisy but in reality harmless slap would have had if they had had a different social hierarchy as foals and been taught respect for the hand that feeds them.
When you look at your horses and they have hoof prints or bite marks on them a slap or indeed a kick from a person, even Bruce Lee or his modern day equivalent is nothing compared to what mares do to unruly foals, and what mares a few days from heat do to lusty stallions is incredible to watch in its ferocity.
When I was at school our punishment 'lines' to write repeatedly were 'Disciple is fundamentally essential to a well organised society'. It is as true now as then and as true with our pet dogs and horses as it is with people. It is becoming trendy among the more 'woke' to describe discipline as cruelty, it is a world apart and makes a world of difference yet to the unobservant and ignorant of all the facts may be difficult to distinguish.
 

Foxcover

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My farrier literally flipped over backwards our Fell foal who was ordinarily a lovely critter but who mid way through having his feet trimmed (he had been done before) threw a hissy fit. Foal reared, farrier put his shoulder under his brisket and helped him complete the circle. The foal stood up nice as pie, shook the dust from himself and never again tried to assert his dominance over any other farrier. One instance of discipline established a behavioral pattern that stayed with him for life.
My friends daughter has fur baby horses that bite, kick and rear when you go near their feet and have to be heavily sedated before the latest of a long string of farriers unwilling to be hurt will attend. I often wonder what effect a single well timed noisy but in reality harmless slap would have had if they had had a different social hierarchy as foals and been taught respect for the hand that feeds them.
When you look at your horses and they have hoof prints or bite marks on them a slap or indeed a kick from a person, even Bruce Lee or his modern day equivalent is nothing compared to what mares do to unruly foals, and what mares a few days from heat do to lusty stallions is incredible to watch in its ferocity.
When I was at school our punishment 'lines' to write repeatedly were 'Disciple is fundamentally essential to a well organised society'. It is as true now as then and as true with our pet dogs and horses as it is with people. It is becoming trendy among the more 'woke' to describe discipline as cruelty, it is a world apart and makes a world of difference yet to the unobservant and ignorant of all the facts may be difficult to distinguish.

Completely agree but in todays woke society I’d rather walk away from anything like that with my reputation intact than flip a youngster over on its back, and then when it gets caught on cctv I get struck off!
Just shows how daft she is to lose her rag like that in front of everybody.
 

Raider112

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Completely agree but in todays woke society I’d rather walk away from anything like that with my reputation intact than flip a youngster over on its back, and then when it gets caught on cctv I get struck off!
Just shows how daft she is to lose her rag like that in front of everybody.
I would guess she was stressed out by the antis and the horse playing up caused the reaction but you can't do that when they are filming you. I bet they couldn't believe their luck.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
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Fife
You’re still not selling it to me!
Born and bred country, around horses all my life, 16 years as a farrier, mother used to hunt and I still can’t justify chasing anything to exhaustion, surrounding it with 40 dogs and ripping it apart when rifle will do the job with less fuss and without making it a game.
My father was a butcher and one of the earliest things he taught me was that if you need to kill something either to eat it, end it’s suffering or because it’s vermin you do it in the quickest most humane way possible. Not dress up and make a game from it.
Even if it goes to ground the game doesn’t end! Dig it up and shoot it! Pathetic.
I don't need to sell anything to you.

People must take their course in life according to their own moral compass.

Though I hope you realise that the antis who wish to see hunting banned see it as the thin end of the wedge to ban all human/animal interaction, including horse riding.

You say there's no justification for fox hunting. What's your justification for horse riding? Torturing an animal with a metal bit, forcing it to wear other dead animals and take part in the totally unnatural act of carrying a human. And for what? Entertainment. No one in the UK needs to ride a horse. In fact, it may well be in the public interest to see such a dangerous pastime banned, especially as it causes animal welfare to be compromised.
 

unlacedgecko

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Fife
Why not? Is there something wrong with making a pastime of controlling foxes? Or are we only allowed to kill foxes if we don't enjoy it, and if so, why?
Like the puritans of Old England, who banned bear baiting, bull baiting and cock fighting. Not from an animal welfare perspective, but because they objected to people enjoying themselves.
 

Foxcover

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I don't need to sell anything to you.

People must take their course in life according to their own moral compass.

Though I hope you realise that the antis who wish to see hunting banned see it as the thin end of the wedge to ban all human/animal interaction, including horse riding.

You say there's no justification for fox hunting. What's your justification for horse riding? Torturing an animal with a metal bit, forcing it to wear other dead animals and take part in the totally unnatural act of carrying a human. And for what? Entertainment. No one in the UK needs to ride a horse. In fact, it may well be in the public interest to see such a dangerous pastime banned, especially as it causes animal welfare to be compromised.

In the same way you don’t need to justify fox hunting to me I don’t need to justify horse riding to you!
Riding horses and pulling a fox to bits are a bit different don’t you think?!
It’s something we’re never going to agree on, as I’ve said, I’ve tried my whole life to find a way to justify it and I can’t so I just leave it there.
 

Foxcover

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Why not? Is there something wrong with making a pastime of controlling foxes? Or are we only allowed to kill foxes if we don't enjoy it, and if so, why?

Oh definitely! There’s definitely something wrong with you if you have a thirst for making a game out of killing foxes by chasing them with 40 dogs, 20 horses and a load of quad bikes.
I think anyone who gets enjoyment out of killing anything under such handicapped circumstances isn’t right in the head :LOL:
 

Foxcover

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Like the puritans of Old England, who banned bear baiting, bull baiting and cock fighting. Not from an animal welfare perspective, but because they objected to people enjoying themselves.

Not at all, my views are based solely upon welfare.
If you need to kill anything whether that’s for food, put it out it’s misery or because it’s vermin you do it in the quickest least stressful manner.
Why would you torture it first?
 

Foxcover

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So how quick does rat poison work compared to a terrier Foxcover?

To be honest with you I’m not a big fan of rat poison because of the damage it can do to owls.
Terriers are a pretty quick way to kill rats.
Would you release a rat and give it a head start across a field and then set the terriers on it though?! Course you wouldn’t, you’d just kill the damn thing there and then.
 

Robt

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Location
Suffolk
My farrier literally flipped over backwards our Fell foal who was ordinarily a lovely critter but who mid way through having his feet trimmed (he had been done before) threw a hissy fit. Foal reared, farrier put his shoulder under his brisket and helped him complete the circle. The foal stood up nice as pie, shook the dust from himself and never again tried to assert his dominance over any other farrier. One instance of discipline established a behavioral pattern that stayed with him for life.
My friends daughter has fur baby horses that bite, kick and rear when you go near their feet and have to be heavily sedated before the latest of a long string of farriers unwilling to be hurt will attend. I often wonder what effect a single well timed noisy but in reality harmless slap would have had if they had had a different social hierarchy as foals and been taught respect for the hand that feeds them.
When you look at your horses and they have hoof prints or bite marks on them a slap or indeed a kick from a person, even Bruce Lee or his modern day equivalent is nothing compared to what mares do to unruly foals, and what mares a few days from heat do to lusty stallions is incredible to watch in its ferocity.
When I was at school our punishment 'lines' to write repeatedly were 'Disciple is fundamentally essential to a well organised society'. It is as true now as then and as true with our pet dogs and horses as it is with people. It is becoming trendy among the more 'woke' to describe discipline as cruelty, it is a world apart and makes a world of difference yet to the unobservant and ignorant of all the facts may be difficult to distinguish.
In contrast to this. My neighbour is somewhat of a horse whisperer. She has been ( I’ve seen with my one eyes) to unruly and dangerous horses. Within 30 mins they are doing. Exactly what she says . She uses nothing other then words and body language. Like all things in life. Everything and every situation is different. Physical discipline saint always needs not does it always work
 

quattro

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Location
scotland
Is there proof that this happens everywhere not just one or two idiots doing it ?
I do know of at least one hunt a friend has pics of it on quad at beginning of hunt
also know someone who does it and seen the sets
I’m not obsessed by fox hunting but breeding them to let loose isn’t controlling foxes
id like peoples opinions on dog fighting (which I would report if knew of any) as I don’t see a lot of difference between the two fox probably has less of a chance especially if it had been reared
I’ve said about dog fighting a few times in fox hunting debates and nobody seems to question it, which makes me wonder
regards foxes at home I’ve someone who shoots them and keeps them under control, also as I’ve said before they want to eliminate them totally as there wouldn’t be any another year
my biggest dislike of the hunts are they go about thinking they can go where they like and what they like (jumped up r soles)
thankfully there’s no xunts up here
 

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