Which 5 furrow plough?

KB6930

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4220?
3 day demo of a 4220 in 2017 with a 3m trio on Holderness clay and I was astounded at how it gripped and pulled.
Lifted the trio like it wasn’t there too.
Yeah 4220.

Michelin vf tyres not had it on a weigh bridge to set them exactly but at 19 psi it scrabbles around too much for my liking. The jcb man said I'd be able to run at 14 but they're slipping the rims inside tyres at that

It does it ok but 7820 JD will pull it 4k faster lifts it no bother

Anyway this is off topic lets get back on track
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
4220, has a deck weight, and vf trellies, never found it short of grip.

Not sure on 6, more headstock problems? Yes needs autoreset.

300 headstock command a fair premium, my budget seems to stretch to a 10 year old kv or 4 year old something else!
Ploughs want buying new there's usually decent finance deals with kv at the right time of year .

But if you're going used you want an es 100 anything after 09 will have all the stronger bits in place that used to break .

I wouldn't touch a eg as there's a couple of bits that do wear a lot due to no grease nipple or bushes

If you're only going 5 don't worry about the big headstock I've not broken one yet in that area and I'm on my 3rd now my current es is an 09 and other than a few bolts that the furrows pivot on through the beam for vari width it's been very reliable. The same cannot be said for the eg that's just been traded in
 

stablegirl

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North
Can't see me stretching to new.

I was looking for an 85, my first 4 furrow was an 85 and my current 5 furrow is a 95 and it feels a bit long and numb, especially on the road.

I was looking for a full variwidth as I quite like using it when near the hedge or to straighten it up but your putting me off it!
 

KB6930

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Borders
Can't see me stretching to new.

I was looking for an 85, my first 4 furrow was an 85 and my current 5 furrow is a 95 and it feels a bit long and numb, especially on the road.

I was looking for a full variwidth as I quite like using it when near the hedge or to straighten it up but your putting me off it!
Right lets get this straight an ES is a vari width but with less moving parts than an EG (full vari width )and it's a stronger plough
 

stevedave

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An EG would be a full vari width and a heavier plough also longer due to more distance between the first furrow and headstock. An ES is vari width on the last 4 furrows with the first one mounted on a slide of the headstock. We have a ES 5 furrow with 85cm body clearance and a 200hp headstock we also run a pacomat. Its 5 years old now and getting on for 3k acre with no real issues apart from the odd broken bolt, point, wing and one moleboard. I have ploughed some real crap with it and it does a good job. If you are happy with a KV I would stick wuth what you know.
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
Why is it stronger?
Just the way the beam is mounted to the front furrow slide there's big plates go away back along the beam from the main pivot pin . And the vari width ram brackets are double with ram in the middle of them opposed to a single bracket.

My es will have ploughed at least 2000 acres more than the eg and the eg has considerably more play in it than the es has
 

KB6930

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Location
Borders
What about an Ed?

Some are "manual" variwidth, the full variwidth you can alter on the move?!
ED manual vari width means moving bolts to alter the width

ES hydraulic vari width of the furrows on the beam the front furrow moves on a separate slide with a hydraulic ram

EG all furrows attached to the beam move with hydraulic ram + hydraulic slide to move the whole beam across
 

daveydiesel1

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
Got a nh here. Its more like a kongskilde than an overum. I went for it as i wanted plastic boards and local kv agents werent interested in bringin them in. Im well impressed with it and wouldnt change my decision to buy it plus was good bit cheaper than kv with a few goodies thrown in
 

tr250

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Location
Northants
I’ve got a nice 5 furrow KV LS95 on 29 bodies (ideal for muck!) for sale if you are interested. Similar to and ES, but the front furrow is fixed/ manually adjusted. Less moving parts than an ES so pins bushes and tie rods not a problem. Wish I’d got rid of my Dowdeswell year ago. The KV is very reliable and nothing compares to lack of wear in the metal. Mine also has the Dura-faced wings, that will probably never need changing!
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I’ve gone Direct drilling now, so £5 grand buys it.
ED manual vari width means moving bolts to alter the width

ES hydraulic vari width of the furrows on the beam the front furrow moves on a separate slide with a hydraulic ram

EG all furrows attached to the beam move with hydraulic ram + hydraulic slide to move the whole beam across
I’m still confused where does an LB and LD fit into this are these older models
 

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