Petition to reform the new landscape schemes
- Thread starter warksfarmer
- Start date
done
- Location
- Devon
Thats what Clive means when he says the subs go to the landowner. Which you can't really disagree with.
However you could say the same about any profit from land based enterprises (farming). If an enterprise is especially profitable it will drive rents up and much of the profit ends up in the landowners pocket.
This is seen when expanding dairy farmers have driven up local rents, or arable, or growers for digester, or even expanding sheep farmers off the back of higher lamb prices.
warksfarmer
Member
@agricontract has mentioned it in tonight’s video so that’ll put it in front of 20,000 people.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think Clive has made a very good argument for supporting farmers, but not landowners, that fact that a fair proportion of landowners are farmers is not the point. At least his argument would stop landowners like the NT claiming all the subsidies or for that matter landowners like Copperbeeches landlord being able to access funding for rewilding.
Later i'm going to send the link to the petition to the members of Janet's Elms Engagement Group. I'm sure the NT, RSPB et al will forward it to their members, soon get to 100k signatories then.
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Happy New Year.
Apologies, I know I said before Christmas that I wouldn’t bother you again. Looks like I lied.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/public-accounts-committee-enquiry-into-elms.360995/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...ature-recovery-and-landscape-recovery.360996/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/petition-to-reform-the-new-landscape-schemes.361444/
Either you are in favour of what ELMS currently looks like, in which case you are wrong, or you are opposed to what ELMS currently looks like, in which case you aren’t trying hard enough.
Landscape Recovery. 30% of the money for less than 3% of the land. To go to the landowners least in need of taxpayer support. To deliver no ‘Public Good’ whatsoever. Are you utterly insane ? Please, get your members to sign the petition as per the link above. Yes, even if you are at the far end of the eco spectrum. Because, as I repeatedly point out, if ELMS doesn’t work for farmers then it doesn’t work.
This is getting close to crunch time. You have all been given a clear steer by the evidence submitted to the Parliamentary Audit Committee. Time to act.
Yours etc.
rent or contract farm ultimately the landlord gets all the sub - its factored into the rent for me or any other farmer
Not read all the posts so I imagine someone has already pointed this out; @Clive is only fecked off because the DD sub has been binned
i really don’t care
if it was down to me i would end all subs as i’ve suggested they don’t benefit farmers
it’s still in the pilot - we will get “Advanced” tier payments this year
it will be in the scheme IMO - why else would it be in the pilot ! payment is nothing to get excited about however iirc
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i would advocate a carbon tax to truly reflect cost of imports environmentally
i would also ban imports not produced to uk environmental or welfare standards
do the above (the logic / consistency of either are hard to argue with) and you don’t need import tariffs or subs
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- Location
- Herefordshire
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Surely large,wealthy charities should be excluded from monies which were,in previous payment schemes ie IACS etc,a subsidy for working farmers in food production. In more recent times there have been many having a slice of the cake.
- Location
- Ledbury, Herefordshire
Well then surely you want to sign this thing - it's a sub, landowners are to be getting it, so you'd be against it, no?
If I thought BPS was a sub for doing nowt, this is one for doing less than that, which is a concept I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around.
We seem to be heading in completely the opposite direction to this. I think a great opportunity is being missed in the panic to sign free trade deals.
Carbon tax would be good. it is an absolutely impossibility they would ban stuff not produced to our standards, it will never happen. Thats the line the NFU have been pushing and failing with for years. At best UK stuff could get a small premium.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Those large wealthy charities were the biggest recipients of BPS money already. They have been part of the design of this scheme, which just changes the way they access the funding. They are saying it doesn’t go far enough…
- Location
- Herefordshire
Yes they were,I was thinking a little further back,to the old IACS days.
Iacs was a production sub and everything since has been decoupled. We are as close to the market as we have ever been. Elms/sfi/LR will not prevent a dramatic decline in the prospects of rural communities, not just farmers. Like it or not, farming is inextricably linked to the prosperity of many villages and towns and provides jobs way beyond the obvious herdsmen and tractor drivers. A shift of support away from active farmers, or even inactive ones which in turn subsidises rent , to projects that ultimately require no labour, no satellite industries and in my belief will be visually unattractive in a very short time will be catastrophic to the communities we so cherish. Defra and its ministers need to look again at what they hope to achieve and at all possible consequences.
if your banning and adding this tax then what is the point of farmers subsidy. Surely that itself would push the price up