California to ban small engines

Flatlander

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Would you dare be the FBI man that attempts to stop such practices??!!!
Not me. im all for inovation in making a living. Yes it’s illegal but you can go buy it from the local corner shop,it just evades the tax man and I think we are all guilty of bending our write off to benefit ourselves. Start growing poppies and such and I’ve have no issue bombing those f ers
 

DaveGrohl

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Cumbria
Also, New York state plans to ban burning wood for domestic heating. So no more logs or log merchants, and the isolated rural homesteaders in the Adirondack Mountains will have to install ground source heating. Yeah right.
Hard to believe but US is madder than the UK at the moment.
i doubt that somehow, can’t believe the twisted crap that’s going on here and it’s only gonna get worse. Hey ho, more wood for Drax, every cloud……
 

oil barron

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It’s probably one of Gavin’s better ideas. The issue is not global warming, but air quality. Because of the lack of rain and wind in California the pollution just sits there, especially in the Central Valley. The air pollution from a lawn mower of leaf blower is far worse than a car, and there is an absolute army of self employed gardners - it is almost looked down on to cut your own grass as you are doing them out of a job. They mow and blow all day long and are a major contributor to the air quality problem.
 

BrianV

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Dartmoor
Not before time, we should do the same.

I really can't see the point in small engines anymore given the progress with battery's.
Yea let's ban peoples small engines whilst Drax power stations burn 800,000 trees every single day after they have been chipped, dried & shipped all the way from America, which do you think is doing most damage?
 

oil barron

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Here are California’s new car sales by model for those interested
 

Vader

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Also, New York state plans to ban burning wood for domestic heating. So no more logs or log merchants, and the isolated rural homesteaders in the Adirondack Mountains will have to install ground source heating. Yeah right.
Hard to believe but US is madder than the UK at the moment.
Well they did vote in Biden.
He did sort of say what his plans were.
Trump did warn about the green agenda
 

oil barron

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That does not explain why California struggles so much with their photochemical haze issues. I doubt small engines are the culprit. Rather their legions of older petrol cars with not much in the way of emissions control measures.

Everything being carb'ed and rolling coal can't be ideal.
Every car is SMOG tested every year. Do a little experiment at home. Run your car for 15 minutes in your garage and run your lawn mower for 15 minutes. See which has the worst air afterwards.
 
Every car is SMOG tested every year. Do a little experiment at home. Run your car for 15 minutes in your garage and run your lawn mower for 15 minutes. See which has the worst air afterwards.

But my lawn mower burns precisely fudge all fuel per year compared to any passenger car- because it is not run that much.

How many lawn mowers do you see sat nose to tail on the major roads of LA?

SMOG testing is a cop out and you surely recognise this. For many Americans their cars only get 'serviced' at Walmart.
 
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This is what CARB says. I’d believe it.

I totally believe it. But I also believe there are a lot of cars in the USA and I would bet their average age is higher in the USA than it would be in Europe. They would also be thirstier machines on the whole, too so they are burning more fuel as they do it.

Lot of air travel and other emissions in North America as well.
 

oil barron

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I totally believe it. But I also believe there are a lot of cars in the USA and I would bet their average age is higher in the USA than it would be in Europe. They would also be thirstier machines on the whole, too so they are burning more fuel as they do it.

Lot of air travel and other emissions in North America as well.
Like I said at the start, it’s air quality that is the issue, not fuel consumption or CO2. There used to be a quote that the air out the back of a Porsche exhaust is cleaner than the air going in in LA.
California are banning néw ICE engines from 2035 as-well. This is an add on to that. Although I think new car sales in Nevada will likely pick up after that.
 

Ffermer Bach

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It’s probably one of Gavin’s better ideas. The issue is not global warming, but air quality. Because of the lack of rain and wind in California the pollution just sits there, especially in the Central Valley. The air pollution from a lawn mower of leaf blower is far worse than a car, and there is an absolute army of self employed gardners - it is almost looked down on to cut your own grass as you are doing them out of a job. They mow and blow all day long and are a major contributor to the air quality problem.
when I was living in Denmark, 26 years ago, I was working for the Danish importer of Ransomes mowers, all powered by Kubota engines. We had great difficulty starting them in the winter (-10 degrees C in the day). Kubota sent a technician over to find out what the problem was. He said they were designed to cope with the California emissions regulations, which at the time then were the harshest in the World.
 

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