Cutting back .

Hilly · Jan 25, 2022

I’ve noticed in conversation loads of people I know not just farmers either are cutting back , all say same thing sick of working hard to earn then get massive tax’s to pay etc etc recon they can do just as well with less, are others hearing this regular or is it just me ?

Derrick Hughes · Jan 25, 2022

Lot of dairy farms in this area and not really hearing that from them no

Hilly · Jan 25, 2022

Derrick Hughes said:
Lot of dairy farms in this area and not really hearing that from them no

No doubt they are expanding like mad !

Dave6170 · Jan 25, 2022

Heard of a few cutting back because they can't get staff. Others are going flat out like no tomorrow

Hilly · Jan 25, 2022

Dave6170 said:
Heard of a few cutting back because they can't get staff. Others are going flat out like no tomorrow

Aye I notice a divide, some are just like can’t get staff getting screwed over for tax stuff it less is more , the other half are going for it big time !

caveman · Jan 25, 2022

Lots going for a bigger slice.of what used to be a full on Xmas cake that is reducing to a plain jam sponge under a thin layer of icing.

Derrick Hughes · Jan 25, 2022

Hilly said:
No doubt they are expanding like mad !

I would not say that either , more like recovering from Shell Shock ,

M-J-G · Jan 25, 2022

I would take on more land if I could get it, but very little ever comes up in our area.
That suggests to me that people aren't really cutting back on acreage.

But I wouldn't be shocked if people are taking the foot off the gas in how they farm, farming intensive operations may become less common with the way input costs are going.

Pan mixer · Jan 25, 2022

Hilly said:
I’ve noticed in conversation loads of people I know not just farmers either are cutting back , all say same thing sick of working hard to earn then get massive tax’s to pay etc etc recon they can do just as well with less, are others hearing this regular or is it just me ?

If they are worried about tax but still want to expand- go into pigs that will remove the need to pay any tax, no problem.

toquark · Jan 25, 2022

With the increase in inputs unlikely to reduce any time soon, I think many are wisely assessing their current farming models and going for a more input-light approach.

With my very low input part time sheep operation, I could sit back smugly and say I saw this coming but I didn't, I've just never had the capital and land available to farm intensively.

Land market is red hot though, but if I had to choose between spending more on inputs/machinery and buying more acres, the acres would win every time, its easy enough to intensify in future if you need to but you need land to do it on.

Hilly · Jan 25, 2022

toquark said:
With the increase in inputs unlikely to reduce any time soon, I think many are wisely assessing their current farming models and going for a more input-light approach.

With my very low input part time sheep operation, I could sit back smugly and say I saw this coming but I didn't, I've just never had the capital and land available to farm intensively.

Land market is red hot though, but if I had to choose between spending more on inputs/machinery and buying more acres, the acres would win every time, its easy enough to intensify in future if you need to but you need land to do it on.

I think the land market is red hot due to forestry and carbon credit bull sh!t , it’s set up for a massive bubble burst i think but who knows . As an arable man said “ my landbuying days are well and truley over at 18k acre next to his farm . “

Lazy Sod · Jan 25, 2022

Hilly said:
I’ve noticed in conversation loads of people I know not just farmers either are cutting back , all say same thing sick of working hard to earn then get massive tax’s to pay etc etc recon they can do just as well with less, are others hearing this regular or is it just me ?

Twas ever thus. Get bigger or get out, certainly with dairying.

Bwcho · Jan 25, 2022

toquark said:
With the increase in inputs unlikely to reduce any time soon, I think many are wisely assessing their current farming models and going for a more input-light approach.

With my very low input part time sheep operation, I could sit back smugly and say I saw this coming but I didn't, I've just never had the capital and land available to farm intensively.

Land market is red hot though, but if I had to choose between spending more on inputs/machinery and buying more acres, the acres would win every time, its easy enough to intensify in future if you need to but you need land to do it on.

Exactly this!

Be interesting to see how the businesses who have adopted the high input, intensive system fair over the next couple of years, or however long it takes for the price of commodities to ease.

To the considerate ones who have done it out of necessity, I genuinely hope they fair well.

For those who did it as part of the qualifying round of the Willy Waving World Championship and to look down their noses on the smaller, traditional guy, then I'm not so sympathetic to their plight.

Bwcho · Jan 25, 2022

Hilly said:
I’ve noticed in conversation loads of people I know not just farmers either are cutting back , all say same thing sick of working hard to earn then get massive tax’s to pay etc etc recon they can do just as well with less, are others hearing this regular or is it just me ?

I think covid has altered the mindset of so many people and institutions, and has been an opportunity to reasses. Not quite the big reset, that some were talking of, but most have definitely taken stock of what's really important in life and how unpredictable it is.

Bob the beef · Jan 25, 2022

Hilly said:
I think the land market is red hot due to forestry and carbon credit bull sh!t , it’s set up for a massive bubble burst i think but who knows . As an arable man said “ my landbuying days are well and truley over at 18k acre next to his farm . “

Was told last week of several chunks of land (decent grass/marginal arable) that have recently changed hands in the SW of Scotland for c£11k acre. Been bought by city money looking for a tax haven.
That puts a huge support on any land market

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