Mud, mud, glorious mud..

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
This may make it clearer
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The black line shows the line of the bank yesterday, the red the ditch that was behind it. The planted wellies were put there to remind the silage lads not to hit the house, and it worked last year when I put them there. They had sunflowers in them. The stone wall is the end wall of the house.

And I ran out of time to go up to where they were pulling out, that is a slick of mud right across the road, quite deep.

You are right, @Headless chicken , and I intend to go and be polite tomorrow. I can be polite you know. I am still farming, so my wellies will have to be hosed down.
Invisibility potion doesn't work on wellingtons it seems :D
 
Ring the council, then see who they give the bill to when they've finished cleaning up? 🤷‍♂️
You having a laugh ! Council don't have any money to enforce it. Contractors doing the groundworks for a telecoms mast here made a hell of a mess of the single track road up to the site, damaged the surface and the ditch and verges. Sub contractor went bust soon after supposedly finishing job, company who hired the subcontractor washed their hands and said it's not our problem, local council guy said no point going after the company, as it wouldn't be best value for the rate payers, in other words they didn't have the cash to go to court. Ended up the mast company paid for some remedial work for the Vergès, but to this day the surface of the road is still hasn't been repaired.
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Its defo the contractors responsibility. When theyr travelling on public roads they are liable for thier own actions and seein as this mud wasnt brought out of the farmers field how could he be held responsible. But as far as u comin on here to have a moan about some1 dirtying the road, U wanna live in the country ur gonna have to deal with things like this
The OP is very long-term in farming. That's actually farming, not hurling oversized vehicles around rural roads vandalising other peoples homes.
 

Ali_Maxxum

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Location
Chepstow, Wales
To me the black line looks like the bank has been too far out in the road and they've rubbed it back to the road edge? And when you say there was a ditch (judging by the approx size 11 wellies) you mean there was a ditch that carried water within 2ft wide against a wall? The top of your black line seems to show the edge of the road but then narrows quite severely?
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Unless I’m mistaken I know which farm in question and I know which road it is.
the new owner maybe has never met you so worth going up to have a quiet word before going all guns blazing. Quite possibly he wasn’t aware there was a problem. Having been in the situation recently where I had a fairly threating phone call that could’ve been interpreted either way I can assure you if you’d like results then it’s well worth going at it with a sensible and clear mind to solve the problem. shouting and aggression will only make him ignore you more.

the road is small and agricultural vehicles are getting bigger, sadly as you well know that’s the nature of the job as margins run tighter everything has to be done quicker and with ever bigger kit.

the pictures above don’t look that bad but Ofcourse they may actually be worse than showing and I will say mud left on the road is a bigger issue than the verges.

finally a sweeping statement that you may well not like, but not aimed at you and may not even be applicable, but i spend a considerable amount of time appeasing people who have been able to run their business or live in the area unhindered for some time, being fortunate to own their homes paid off their mortgages and have settled, who then object to anyone who is trying to make it because it makes their shoes dirty 🤦‍♂️

As above sadly tractors are getting bigger and need to get to the same places as they did before to chase an ever narrowing profit margin.
Perhaps worth noting that although the equipment is getting bigger it still has weight limits. Some of these big farms and contractors are taking the p**s with the size of some of their tankers and trailers.
The road my parents live on has been destroyed by 20T tri axle trailers and 3000+ gallon tankers with oversize tyres, certainly not legal.
Police don't really want to know but if someone pushed them hard enough they could make operating very difficult for some of these companies. Speeding, overweight, over width, mud on the road etc.
 

Lakes Nash

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South lakes
before you go all guns blazing. Have they damaged your verge or have they actaully damaged the road verge . These two are very differnet. Find out how much verge is yours and where the road ends. Contact local parish council on this. Most roads the verge has crept over the years. You vary rarely own the verge too.
but not many t20's are used by contractors nowadays, the size of todays tackle and the size of the lanes, one has grown and if like a lot of councils like ours the lanes have shrunk, but i would say the contractor is at fault as he's responsible for his own machinery on a public highway!
 
Its defo the contractors responsibility. When theyr travelling on public roads they are liable for thier own actions and seein as this mud wasnt brought out of the farmers field how could he be held responsible. But as far as u comin on here to have a moan about some1 dirtying the road, U wanna live in the country ur gonna have to deal with things like this

As below. @Old Boar is a long established farmer. Last sentence - uncalled for.

The OP is very long-term in farming. That's actually farming, not hurling oversized vehicles around rural roads vandalising other peoples homes.

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Old Boar

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Location
West Wales
I am not very good with the drawing of lines - sorry!
The ditch behind was around a foot wide and two foot deep and took the water from the ditch along the front of the house, as this would have had a thatch at one time and no gutters.
The tithe map shows the house was longer, and the road stopped before the house and there was a ford through the stream. It is thought that the end wall was knocked down at some point and the house shortened to let the road through. The back wall is 4ft longer than the front wall so the pine end is at an angle (as is everything else!). I have got the house back to 1697 so far...
 

Ali_Maxxum

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Location
Chepstow, Wales
I am not very good with the drawing of lines - sorry!
The ditch behind was around a foot wide and two foot deep and took the water from the ditch along the front of the house, as this would have had a thatch at one time and no gutters.
The tithe map shows the house was longer, and the road stopped before the house and there was a ford through the stream. It is thought that the end wall was knocked down at some point and the house shortened to let the road through. The back wall is 4ft longer than the front wall so the pine end is at an angle (as is everything else!). I have got the house back to 1697 so far...
Sounds like it was a fair channel then. Guess it was just filled in/not maintained/no longer needed? Guess they can't get over any further on the opposite side either? Tankers/muck spreaders are a sod for road edges no doubt, however here they are allegedly used to re find the road edge and give Joe public in their Nissan Micra more room to wiggle backwards when they meet said tanker!
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
The OP is very long-term in farming. That's actually farming, not hurling oversized vehicles around rural roads vandalising other peoples homes.
Trouble is modern policy is and has been for some time, towards centralisation, bigger 'more commercially units ( labour cost wise etc ) farms included , might work in Oxfordshire , Lincolnshire ie bigger country / more open areas ,wider roads ....

Perhaps the Op needs to plant appropriately shaped and sized stones , like i have seen some people do, along the verge to focus drivers minds away from damaging tyres etc, ....'course someone might also then complain to the parish council about that also...
 

Lakes Nash

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South lakes
Trouble is modern policy is and has been for some time, towards bigger 'more commercially ( labour cost wise etc ) farms , might work in Oxfordshire , Lincolnshire ie bigger country / more open areas ,wider roads ....

Perhaps the Op needs to plant appropriately shaped and sized stones , like i have seen some people do, along the verge to focus drivers mind away from damaging tyres etc, ....'course someone might also then complain to the parish council about that also...
i had a customer who did that, painted them, snow came, cars skidded onto them, he was then liable for placing them there, so in the end he bought an old banger, 12month mot, insured it and parked it on the road side legally,! never used or moved it! it was an absolute pain, but it worked to slow cars and stop em cutting the corner,, 🤷‍♂️
 

CPF

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Arable Farmer
This may make it clearer
View attachment 1012868

The black line shows the line of the bank yesterday, the red the ditch that was behind it. The planted wellies were put there to remind the silage lads not to hit the house, and it worked last year when I put them there. They had sunflowers in them. The stone wall is the end wall of the house.

And I ran out of time to go up to where they were pulling out, that is a slick of mud right across the road, quite deep.

You are right, @Headless chicken , and I intend to go and be polite tomorrow. I can be polite you know. I am still farming, so my wellies will have to be hosed down.
Looks to me that someone’s been encroaching on the highway by putting soil on the tarmac and making the embankment bigger just look at the width of the road above
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Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
Not gonna lie apart from needing a road sweeper too clear the road it looks like they’ve done the verges the world of good 😳 some these country lanes the council have stopped maintaining are getting narrower and narrower they need thrashing back every now and then
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
If that was mine I think I would dig all that away and fill it with concrete to support the wall , maybe cement a plastic warning post in close to the corner , and if poss scrape a but off the bank the other side ,
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
By the way grass verges are part of the highway.
Not necessarily. The highway authority (not necessarily Highways) has a right to keep its roads drained, but it doesn’t mean the verges are owned by the highway authority. More likely to be the farm whose land the road goes over is the owner.
 

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