TheTallGuy
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Or as the Ukrainian chap at the UN effectively suggested - for Putin to retire to his bunker with some medication and a pistol...
Will Putin invade ?
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My daughter travelled to Germany on her own & stayed with some of that brave mans relatives when she was 16 & their daughter came back & stayed with us.
Danllan
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No coercion when a sovereign state decides for itself on a course of action.
Slight mistake, I said the West should have made it plain & reinforced the border on the West's side of Ukraine not into Ukraine, the West did provoke this by allowing Ukraine to believe it would eventually join the EU & NATO, it may not have been fair on Ukraine but for such a divided country to join would have been impossible & they should have been told that clearly.
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This post does not sound determined or sad. It is very angry and vengeful . That kind of thinking is fine if you are Ukranian but useless if you are not.
I agree that this is a disaster for everyone. Unlike you I do not wish for more death and destruction- for anyone ,Russian or Ukranian. I cannot imagine how this will end. It is a tragedy.
TheTallGuy
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Fast tracking Ukraine into the EU & into the Common Defence Policy would have been very dubious without Ukraine fulfilling the full requirements for entry and fraught with issues because the NATO policy would still stand - likewise if the UK went in on its own, the moment a British or unit from a NATO country gets attacked Article 5 applies & NATO gets dragged in.
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Russia’s gripe with Poland , and vice versa , is hundreds of years old.
So we are where we are!
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You may be right. I do find his rhetoric frightening.
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- Devon
Not really a mistake as it amounts to the same thing.
Would parking loads of gear in Poland be provocative or completely useless if not willing to cross into Ukraine?
Eventually could be a while.
Danllan
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Would you have done so if he had been called Adolf?
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- Aberdeenshire
Yes, like Putin using Belarus troops and aircraft which apparently are on standby !!!
I'm quite certain mind you Putin will happily sacrifice as many of his own troops as required.
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Our Swiss neighbour is called Adolf. Can’t have been easy growing up.Would you have done so if he had been called Adolf?
May have been provocative but no more than Putin's build up of troops on the border, we keep having people saying a line in the sand must be drawn but where are we prepared to draw that line?
TheTallGuy
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Yes. My guess is that America doesn't want to get involved & has made it clear to its NATO allies that if anyone goes out of their way to get attacked then they will quit NATO - which plays straight into Putins hands. The bulk of NATO wouldn't want to fight without the bulk and tech that comes with American involvement - particularly if he does come Westwards, so have to go along with the no-involvement routine.
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There arent any apparently,according to Times journalist Marc Bennetts.Piece in todays Times. "Oligarchs live in terror of tsar and his torture cells".............................."there is little prospect of Putin being deposed......................"
When I said Ukraine should have been told clearly that they would not be joining I am talking about before all this started & Ukraine started raising the red flag to Putin as it being a possibility. Many will say this is grossly unfair to Ukraine but when was life ever fair?
Poland has given upto 24 mig 29s to the Ukrainians and letting them use there runways is this the start of nato countries getting involved?
15 nuclear reactors in 4 power plants.
oil barron
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A guy that works for me has step sons called Adolf and Arian
