Good News in the pig trade

Hilly

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This is something our business is only too familiar with. Aligned contract since 2013, big retailer, processed by a big processor. COP element in the pricing to help us through the lean times, tempered by a maximum margin to give it back in the good times.

We were served notice in Q3 last year, and now send the same pigs to the same processor for about £4k a load less. It's crippling. I know that the pigs owned by the same processor are going through the abattoir at much closer to our former contract price.

Hate to say it, but the "sell live to thrive" boys do appear to have a point. Although clearly in the pig industry, that ship has sailed.
Ive been spreading the gospel since foor n mouth but just get ridiculed, i wont stop tho 😉 .
 

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Feel your pain, and in your situation we would all have done the same thing, but we know that the abattoir, having secured your pigs, will have rung the marketing group the following week and cut their numbers by that amount saying they had broken down or had staffing issues.
An old boy who knew said to me once that "there is no-one honest in the meat trade" I don't want to believe it but the evidence that I have seen and heard about over the years tends towards him being a wise chap.

I never want to go back to live selling though @Hilly
 

Hilly

Member
An old boy who knew said to me once that "there is no-one honest in the meat trade" I don't want to believe it but the evidence that I have seen and heard about over the years tends towards him being a wise chap.

I never want to go back to live selling though @Hilly
As said the ship has sailed for Pigs . Not just meat trade folk are horrible everywhere now , not many honest folk just greedy twisted barstewards that would shaft their granny for a fiver .
 
Feel your pain, and in your situation we would all have done the same thing, but we know that the abattoir, having secured your pigs, will have rung the marketing group the following week and cut their numbers by that amount saying they had broken down or had staffing issues.
My 200 per week would be a drop in the ocean to that particular plant so I hope that you’re wrong about them messing others about.
 

Chieftain

Member
Mixed Farmer
I agree. I gave a particular marketing group a long time to find a contract for my pigs. Unfortunately it came to a point where I had overweight pigs increasing in number weekly and no outlet that an individual stepped in and found me an outlet, embarrassingly easily.

It's understandable the route you took, probably a case of unfortunate timing and the marketing group not pulling their weight for you. As @Nukemall says though, they're probably the largest power in the market hierarchy that actually acts in the farmer's interests so certainly aren't a waste of time.

We can have a go at the abattoirs and buyers, but at the end of the day they are only following the big business mantra that's been breeding in the country for years now. It's all about desperation to get to the top, having people at a leash hold and robbing the honest hard workers. If the Government weren't the living, breathing definition of this they'd have stepped in to support the industry at it's lowest point.
 

Batty

Member
I agree. I gave a particular marketing group a long time to find a contract for my pigs. Unfortunately it came to a point where I had overweight pigs increasing in number weekly and no outlet that an individual stepped in and found me an outlet, embarrassingly easily.
Million dollar question did the abattoir not want the pigs through a marketing group or was the group not interested in pulling there finger out and getting it sorted ?????
 
Million dollar question did the abattoir not want the pigs through a marketing group or was the group not interested in pulling there finger out and getting it sorted ?????
I really don't know. I was very angry indeed with the marketing group, initially thinking the latter case, now more inclined to the former.
So far, within the last two years been very badly let down by two groups, one, initials MQ who failed to enforce a weaner supply contract that the buyer gave me three weeks notice on, against a contracted four month notice period. Secondly by TVC who tried and failed to get me a finished pig contract. Meanwhile AQM couldn't do a lot for me either, or any of the others.
Looks like I've got to paddle my own canoe helped by PC!
 

Batty

Member
I really don't know. I was very angry indeed with the marketing group, initially thinking the latter case, now more inclined to the former.
So far, within the last two years been very badly let down by two groups, one, initials MQ who failed to enforce a weaner supply contract that the buyer gave me three weeks notice on, against a contracted four month notice period. Secondly by TVC who tried and failed to get me a finished pig contract. Meanwhile AQM couldn't do a lot for me either, or any of the others.
Looks like I've got to paddle my own canoe helped by PC!
Glad it worked out for you, best of luck going forward. now need to get prices back in to profit ( long way to go with raw materials as they are)
 

Nukemall

Member
Glad it worked out for you, best of luck going forward. now need to get prices back in to profit ( long way to go with raw materials as they are)

Anyone had any compound feed prices in the last few days? Been told raw material shortages are looming, especially micro ingredients.
 

Pan mixer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Certainly not out of the woods yet, but very nice to have a regular cashflow again. Can only hope that pig prices now head upwards into uncharted territory.
With wheat at £297.5 for March delivery and £303 for May and soya at £457 tonight I think that the prices we will need are so far off the chart that it boggles the imagination.

Breakeven at those input prices would be well over a pound more than we are getting now?
 
With wheat at £297.5 for March delivery and £303 for May and soya at £457 tonight I think that the prices we will need are so far off the chart that it boggles the imagination.

Breakeven at those input prices would be well over a pound more than we are getting now?

With reduced and still falling supplies of pigs now coming through, I hope that it gets "interesting" soon.
 

Pan mixer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
My butchers and my wife (who sells from here) both complain that no one is buying much meat atm.

On the other hand 1 hog roast last week and one this week may help a bit - some years we sell over half our pigs this way in the summer - but not the last 2 summers of course.
 

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