Solid urea use restricted and to be regulated by Red Tractor
- Thread starter Steevo
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- Lincolnshire
Ban all imports grown using urea?
tullah
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- Linconshire
Therefore every reason to have all farms audited who send grain into this country. That would be a level playing field but imagine the chaos it would bring to those farms across the globe.
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- Lincolnshire
It's ok. The mills can have the driver of the lorry that picks it up certify that it doesn't look like it had urea applied when it was grown.
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- Left in the middle of nowhere
No urea = more chloride fertilisers = more salination = lower pH = more soil degradation + more available nitrate = more plant cell wall damage = more fungicide, amongst other problems.
So applying Granular Urea ahead of rainfall which starts the hydrolysis process is no big deal, who really applies it to sit there in the dry weather volatilising all your money away anyway? After hydrolysis the Ammonia attaches itself to the clay colloid & remains in the soil for a considerable amount of time.
Makes me think CF Fertilisers have been good chums with the Government for longer than the recent bailout, as banning granular urea fertiliser makes no sense, the emissions volume equated to weeing in the sea!!
Make your own liquid urea instead, it's good stuff.....
So applying Granular Urea ahead of rainfall which starts the hydrolysis process is no big deal, who really applies it to sit there in the dry weather volatilising all your money away anyway? After hydrolysis the Ammonia attaches itself to the clay colloid & remains in the soil for a considerable amount of time.
Makes me think CF Fertilisers have been good chums with the Government for longer than the recent bailout, as banning granular urea fertiliser makes no sense, the emissions volume equated to weeing in the sea!!
Make your own liquid urea instead, it's good stuff.....
I suspect that there will be an awful lot of fertiliser recorded as having been spread in the last week of March.
What a load of rubbish Urea being blamed for rising ammonia emissions. Urea use will have dropped in recent years with less winter crops and more spring crops being grown due to Blackgrass and flea Beetle problems. The rising ammonia emissions follow the rise in the use of add blue which contains Urea in Diesel engines. Yet again the farmer gets the blame and the NFU go along with it.
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- Yorks
Was Tom saying this in his capacity as NFU Deputy President, or as a Red Tractor Board member?
“Through the involvement of Red Tractor, the industry has avoided the proposed outright ban on urea fertiliser which means that farmers and growers will continue to have the flexibility to use the right product at the right time.”
“Through the involvement of Red Tractor, the industry has avoided the proposed outright ban on urea fertiliser which means that farmers and growers will continue to have the flexibility to use the right product at the right time.”
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- Lincolnshire.
Mr. Bradshaw should be ashamed of himself. Putting his name to this restriction on urea use whilst dressing it up as an industry victory. Even if one puts aside the UK’s urgent need to be less reliant on Russian materials this policy, as others point out, is all about the exporting of food production and nothing to do with tackling climate change. Unbelievable that he should act as a mouthpiece for these ridiculous ideas. Time for a rethink and a change of personnel.
SilliamWhale
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"Working alongside AIC"....Hmm. They are industry salesmen.
I presume non assured livestock farmers can carry on?
I think everyone should just vote with their feet now and cancel any RT direct debits and just use up your stickers and see what happens afterwards
I presume non assured livestock farmers can carry on?
I think everyone should just vote with their feet now and cancel any RT direct debits and just use up your stickers and see what happens afterwards
Timbo
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- Gods County
From what I heard today , it was suggested that Urea use on farms that were not RT assured would be precluded?
They should be fighting harder to disprove the exaggerated affect of flawed science that was behind the ammonia worries concerning urea, the old Adas work, urea onto chalk soil on may and covered in plastic to measure the emissions.
CF have aggressively used this work to demonise urea over the years, and look at what those bunch of c**ts have done recently.
don’t allow urea to be spread after a certain date, that’s fine by me. Red tractor do not need to police it, and as we know red tractor is all a massive loads of rubbish we can just make up on the day anyway because it is meaningless.
I despair, this should not be dressed up as a win.
CF have aggressively used this work to demonise urea over the years, and look at what those bunch of c**ts have done recently.
don’t allow urea to be spread after a certain date, that’s fine by me. Red tractor do not need to police it, and as we know red tractor is all a massive loads of rubbish we can just make up on the day anyway because it is meaningless.
I despair, this should not be dressed up as a win.
SilliamWhale
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Depressing isn't it?
I don’t like the bit about working with the AIC. CF top guy is on AIC board. The NFU is supposed to represent farmers, not work with those who profit from us. The nfu’s priorities seem to be completely skewed.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Fast forward 12 months time assuming that this is implemented and farmers follow the rules (and fertiliser were a "normal" price for a normal year [which it won't be]):
1. Farmers who usually use urea will need to switch their 2nd and 3rd dressings to another product. So that's a massive drop in urea requirement which needs to be replaced with something else. Either AN or protected urea. Thus massive increase in demand for these products, massive supply increase required. Where is all this extra 2/3rds product going to come from? Neither are a particularly common global commodity - most fertiliser used worldwide is standard urea.
2. Add to that a farmer who usually buys 1 or 2 artic loads of urea fertiliser for his total crop requirement can now only (weather/heavy land permitting!) apply the first dressing as urea. But 1 or 2 artics doesn't split into three, so logic suggests he'll switch his whole requirement to another product. So some farms would therefore 100% switch to AN or protected urea.
Not to mention that - I would not wish to apply AN or protected urea to my crops out of choice. AN rusts the spreader, and protected product contains formaldehyde which will cause havoc with soil life.
As a country our politicians/civil servants have started becoming very very picky about how things should be done and think they can control everything. World food markets are far bigger than any government.
At a time when you're lucky if you can get any fertiliser, let alone at a sensible price it's not a great time to be picking and choosing what product you are to use like UK Govt want to do. It's really not a buyers market. As @JCfarmer points out above - this can only lead to MASSIVE food security issues in this country exacerbating the existing problems we are making.....let alone CHOOSING to make life more difficult and expensive.
It's not farmers who will lose out.....it's the UK population who will pay more. Farmers may not have much of a voice on this, but the UK population have votes.
1. Farmers who usually use urea will need to switch their 2nd and 3rd dressings to another product. So that's a massive drop in urea requirement which needs to be replaced with something else. Either AN or protected urea. Thus massive increase in demand for these products, massive supply increase required. Where is all this extra 2/3rds product going to come from? Neither are a particularly common global commodity - most fertiliser used worldwide is standard urea.
2. Add to that a farmer who usually buys 1 or 2 artic loads of urea fertiliser for his total crop requirement can now only (weather/heavy land permitting!) apply the first dressing as urea. But 1 or 2 artics doesn't split into three, so logic suggests he'll switch his whole requirement to another product. So some farms would therefore 100% switch to AN or protected urea.
Not to mention that - I would not wish to apply AN or protected urea to my crops out of choice. AN rusts the spreader, and protected product contains formaldehyde which will cause havoc with soil life.
As a country our politicians/civil servants have started becoming very very picky about how things should be done and think they can control everything. World food markets are far bigger than any government.
At a time when you're lucky if you can get any fertiliser, let alone at a sensible price it's not a great time to be picking and choosing what product you are to use like UK Govt want to do. It's really not a buyers market. As @JCfarmer points out above - this can only lead to MASSIVE food security issues in this country exacerbating the existing problems we are making.....let alone CHOOSING to make life more difficult and expensive.
It's not farmers who will lose out.....it's the UK population who will pay more. Farmers may not have much of a voice on this, but the UK population have votes.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
We already have National Muckspreading Day.
Now 31st March will be christened National Urea Spreading Day
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
The recommendation I use is that if using urea get it on before the end of march
spring crops in the seedbed
these new rules will not change what I do
the very big issue I have was if urea banned and forced to use ammonium nitrate how much extra to use to make up for the losses due to leaching when the inevitable drain flow occurs on drained heavy land the day after AN has been aplied especially on spring crops or with the early march dose
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- Lincolnshire
Give it ten years and they will be worrying about the effects of inhibitors on soil health / getting in to water.
Irrespective what we do, someone will always whine for column inches.
Irrespective what we do, someone will always whine for column inches.
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Exactly right.
They don't like us applying chemicals and want chemical usage reduced.....then force us to coat out fertiliser in an additional chemical!
Formaldehyde in drains and ditches won't be good. I wonder if the water companies can clean it out of drinking water supplies effectively?
Not to mention AN leaching as mentioned above.