Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

My point about consumption was based on the fact that the countries that eat most beef have grading based on eating quality and are dominated by our native genetics. I've been to Argentina, seen the cattle and eaten the beef!
I also think that cattle will move towards those that do best on grass, although there will still be a place for those that can efficiently convert feed grade byproducts etc. But doesn't look like they will be getting any cheaper.
Yes I agree with a lot of that.
If you looked at things how I’ve seen them in the recent past selling some small nice shaped limmy cattle around the £1200 mark looks a better option for me than some of the others that need more size to do the same money.
Im not convinced the eating quality is the problem. If it’s slaughtered calmly and hung it should all be good.
There was no chawy beef until the supermarkets appeared
 

Northern territory

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Livestock Farmer
Yes I agree with a lot of that.
If you looked at things how I’ve seen them in the recent past selling some small nice shaped limmy cattle around the £1200 mark looks a better option for me than some of the others that need more size to do the same money.
Im not convinced the eating quality is the problem. If it’s slaughtered calmly and hung it should all be good.
There was no chawy beef until the supermarkets appeared
I think your right, slaughtering and hanging for long enough is an issue. Surely the regions where these Continental cattle originated liked the taste. French are quite particular about their food.
 

Werzle

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Location
Midlands
Would the animals' welfare not be better served by breeding towards reducing the need for constant supervision to avoid 'a calamity'? I could be wrong but some of those revelling in the need for roaming fields/stalking sheds at night are also those who apparently make less than minimum wage?
Couldnt agree more about wanting natural births etc but even a jersey calf can have a leg back or be stuck in the birth sack etc . I dont think money comes into it , you look after the stock regardless of its worth, its a life! I might "live" with the cows at calving but other times of the year i might spend less than five minutes a day glancing at them so over a year the hours spent wouldnt be much. The stockman in me thinks the likes of these dairy herds shooting bull calves etc is criminal whether thats at a day old or 8 weeks, worthless or not. All the standards these milk firms place on the dairy farmer are meaningless when they allow that and do not promote a better type of dairy cow that can produce a better worthwhile beef calf and a healthier image. Once you devalue an animal so much your on a slippery slope to not caring whether they live or die and thats not farming imo
 
I think your right, slaughtering and hanging for long enough is an issue. Surely the regions where these Continental cattle originated liked the taste. French are quite particular about their food.
We’ve had some of our own slaughtered and the meat is much more tender and darker coloured. Supermarket beef is bright red I think it’s reducing cost of hanging and outlay and what’s not sold can be minced or diced
 
I think it's more about how long the carcase is hung for, and treated. I have a soft spot for native breeds but I don't buy the argument on eating quality being better. The best meat comes from private butchers and they mostly buy Limi heifers and Beltex lambs. If you want good meat the first rule is don't buy from a supermarket rather than which breed. So long as you don't go extreme a Limi bull will be as easy calving to, as anything else but the calves are more valuable because there is greater demand. I don't like these extreme cows though, they are going to far and that's where the bulk of problems occur.
 
Location
Cleveland
I think it's more about how long the carcase is hung for, and treated. I have a soft spot for native breeds but I don't buy the argument on eating quality being better. The best meat comes from private butchers and they mostly buy Limi heifers and Beltex lambs. If you want good meat the first rule is don't buy from a supermarket rather than which breed. So long as you don't go extreme a Limi bull will be as easy calving to, as anything else but the calves are more valuable because there is greater demand. I don't like these extreme cows though, they are going to far and that's where the bulk of problems occur.
I don’t agree with that, two local butchers who only buy the best heifers only hang their beef for 2 weeks. I’ve had steaks from them and they are no better if not worse than steaks from Morrison’s. Most butchers buy these double muscled things with little cover or IMF.
 

Full of bull(s)

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Livestock Farmer
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North Yorkshire
I don’t agree with that, two local butchers who only buy the best heifers only hang their beef for 2 weeks. I’ve had steaks from them and they are no better if not worse than steaks from Morrison’s. Most butchers buy these double muscled things with little cover or IMF.
They won’t be able to hang those double muscled cattle any longer as they are so lean. Town butchers mainly serve town housewives with supermarket tastes but money to burn. I assume you mean Higgins and Co.?
 
Location
Cleveland
They won’t be able to hang those double muscled cattle any longer as they are so lean. Town butchers mainly serve town housewives with supermarket tastes but money to burn. I assume you mean Higgins and Co.?
I’m not going to name any butchers but he wasn’t who I was thinking of…my point is supermarket beef is no different to butchers beef imo. I have noticed that buyers are now wanting the cattle a lot thicker and a lot fatter than they used to. Never could get my head around buying lean ones but I guess the housewife didn’t want fat then moaned the beef was tasteless
 

Hfd Cattle

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Hereford
I’m not going to name any butchers but he wasn’t who I was thinking of…my point is supermarket beef is no different to butchers beef imo. I have noticed that buyers are now wanting the cattle a lot thicker and a lot fatter than they used to. Never could get my head around buying lean ones but I guess the housewife didn’t want fat then moaned the beef was tasteless
I would agree with Morrisons steaks . OH very rarely goes to Morrisons but she does pick up a few of their steaks when she does go cos they are usually decent ones .

Had a steak in a Romanian pub last night .....don't know where they got it from and it's probably better not to ask but it was delicious !!
 

Mc115reed

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Best beef Iv ever had was a scabby old black and white bull we got killed for the freezer because it be worth nothing in market… told them too mince the lot and we’d just have enough mince too feed an army and he rang up saying he didn’t want too mince such nice steaks so we took his word for it and had the best beef we’ve ever had.. Definatly more about how it’s treated than how it’s bred if you ask me
 

Andrew1983

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Black Isle
Ours is hung from 4-5 weeks. Regular comments from customers that it’s best beef they ever had, particularly on the mince. The downside to our butcher hanging them this long is the amount of un sellable trim that has to be disposed off. We should be a lot more expensive for what we sell but then it becomes totally unaffordable to our customers who drift back to supermarkets or butchers shops I don’t know.

Breed wise anything from SH/Sim/Lim/Ch x’s and I can never tell the breed from the steak. Even once or 2x done bull beef.
 
Ours is hung from 4-5 weeks. Regular comments from customers that it’s best beef they ever had, particularly on the mince. The downside to our butcher hanging them this long is the amount of un sellable trim that has to be disposed off. We should be a lot more expensive for what we sell but then it becomes totally unaffordable to our customers who drift back to supermarkets or butchers shops I don’t know.

Breed wise anything from SH/Sim/Lim/Ch x’s and I can never tell the breed from the steak. Even once or 2x done bull beef.
Hanging for a decent length of time is how the job should be done. But, as said, you need a decent fat cover to do it. The extra trim and hanging/chill space are both things the supermarkets want to avoid.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Cheshire
The only beast I’ve heard of that has poor eating quality dry meat are blues
The local butcher said he couldn’t hang them too long otherwise they would dry out he hates them
When the butchers changed down the village they started stocking “best Angus beef” it was like trying too eat boot leather. Proper shite. The old butcher only ever had limmy bull beef, many a time he stocked ours as his supplier bought a lot of our bulls. Never had bad beef from him! It’s all how it’s treated. He’d have a body of beef in the chiller for a month many a time before cutting it up. Proper beef
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
Best beef Iv ever had was a scabby old black and white bull we got killed for the freezer because it be worth nothing in market… told them too mince the lot and we’d just have enough mince too feed an army and he rang up saying he didn’t want too mince such nice steaks so we took his word for it and had the best beef we’ve ever had.. Definatly more about how it’s treated than how it’s bred if you ask me
Bought a jersey cow with a jersey steer at foot 5 yrs ago for £475.
She was a great foster mother and reared up 8 calves before eventually drying up and was then sent in the cull....she came to £475 before stoppages!!
The stear went in the freezer at 22 mths and was the tastiest beef I've ever had . He killed out at 284 kilos so it was a good job .
Got a Longhorn hanging in the abattoir at the moment. Bought it in Hfd for £200 quid 18 mths ago at 5 mths old .....see what that tastes like when I get it back 😀😀
 
Bought a jersey cow with a jersey steer at foot 5 yrs ago for £475.
She was a great foster mother and reared up 8 calves before eventually drying up and was then sent in the cull....she came to £475 before stoppages!!
The stear went in the freezer at 22 mths and was the tastiest beef I've ever had . He killed out at 284 kilos so it was a good job .
Got a Longhorn hanging in the abattoir at the moment. Bought it in Hfd for £200 quid 18 mths ago at 5 mths old .....see what that tastes like when I get it back 😀😀
I was told that Longhorn was one of the first breeds bred specifically for beef and eating quality? Should be good!
 

sheepwise

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SW Scotland
I don’t agree with that, two local butchers who only buy the best heifers only hang their beef for 2 weeks. I’ve had steaks from them and they are no better if not worse than steaks from Morrison’s. Most butchers buy these double muscled things with little cover or IMF.
Noticed that in one of the primestock show and sales at Darlington. The butcher who bought the champion had a post shared by DFAM stating the beef would be available over their counter in the next 10 days. there wasn't much maturing on the hook there. Also agree, going by videos, that these market topping cattle down your way look extreme types and pretty lean. I would say the local butchers in our local marts would buy beasts with more cover but we don't get the headline trade like Darlington,etc
 

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