Electric price, WTF

And the BOE think raising interest rates will kerb inflation.
How can it with price hikes like this!


Interest hikes won't work for a supply side shortage - it'll just make people even poorer.

This is how the Great Depression started in the 1930's, shortage price hikes "Controlled" by interest rate hikes.

It'll just put more people out of work and even less things will be made.

Government have got to man up and actually get someone in who knows what they are doing rather than all this woke shyte.
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Interest hikes won't work for a supply side shortage - it'll just make people even poorer.

This is how the Great Depression started in the 1930's, shortage price hikes "Controlled" by interest rate hikes.

It'll just put more people out of work and even less things will be made.

Government have got to man up and actually get someone in who knows what they are doing rather than all this woke shyte.
Nero fiddles while Rome burns
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
there was , then Thatcher sold it off :banghead:
Complete cock, energy ptides hafe been driven down to so e of the lowest in ā€˜europe thanks to Thatchers reforms., but the dash for gas has resulted in the country relying on cheap imported gas.
Then governments since have torn down the nuclear and coal fired stations , winding up withe worst decision ever by the May government a max -rice on Donestic fuel which forced the majors to up prices to business customersand squeeze out the minor cheap distributors.
the electricity industry is dominated by large companies who really know how to take the p*** and screw regular customers.
take for one, that HH meter which every customer with over a 100KVA feed must have.
it costs under Ā£200
to monitor the usage there are independents who will give you HH data for Ā£15-30 an annum
however this is not good enough for the mafia who run the electricity industry.
for this you need to be a meter operator and have a contract.
this contract to supply this information will cost around Ā£350 a year and if you wanto export as well this will cost the same again.
it is very high time this sh!t was sorted, not blame it on a Prime minister from 35 years ago
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Complete cock, energy ptides hafe been driven down to so e of the lowest in ā€˜europe thanks to Thatchers reforms., but the dash for gas has resulted in the country relying on cheap imported gas.
Then governments since have torn down the nuclear and coal fired stations , winding up withe worst decision ever by the May government a max -rice on Donestic fuel which forced the majors to up prices to business customersand squeeze out the minor cheap distributors.
the electricity industry is dominated by large companies who really know how to take the p*** and screw regular customers.
take for one, that HH meter which every customer with over a 100KVA feed must have.
it costs under Ā£200
to monitor the usage there are independents who will give you HH data for Ā£15-30 an annum
however this is not good enough for the mafia who run the electricity industry.
for this you need to be a meter operator and have a contract.
this contract to supply this information will cost around Ā£350 a year and if you wanto export as well this will cost the same again.
it is very high time this sh!t was sorted, not blame it on a Prime minister from 35 years ago

huh?
This piece, amongst others, agrees with what I saidšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


ā€œthe electricity industry is dominated by large companies who really know how to take the p*** and screw regular customers.ā€
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
huh?
This piece, amongst others, agrees with what I saidšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


ā€œthe electricity industry is dominated by large companies who really know how to take the p*** and screw regular customers.ā€
These companies are the inheritors of the old UK generators. But to blame Thatcher Is ridiculous when there has been 35 years to tinker with the legislation.
instead they hve been allowed to build a regulatory system which ensures there inome stream is solid whatever. Then May enabled legislation to ensure their place in posterity at the cost of genuine diversity in the market
 

delilah

Member
Blame the existence of a cartel.
Take the p!ss out of Ecotricity.
Farmers attitude towards energy makes about as much sense as that towards food.
 

RushesToo

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Location
Fingringhoe
If you have rooves I would be looking at the costs to put solar on them - and probably off grid so you aren't giving what you generate away for free. This is longer term, short term find a broker or are you in a buying group?
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Blame the existence of a cartel.
Take the p!ss out of Ecotricity.
Farmers attitude towards energy makes about as much sense as that towards food.
if they are in a position to a farmer would be best to grow crops for their own fuel (generator for electric) solar ,wind etc, grow their own food (with out buying artificial ferts) and some for their families and any surplus closest friends as far as possible, and for money needs work off farm or diversify .
Food for the Rest of the population can be some one elses like Boris s responsiblity.
 

Lofty1984

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Mixed Farmer
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South wales
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sjt01

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North Norfolk
At this rate the UK will be 100% nuclear powered within decades if electricity is retailing at 50pence a unit, we can afford to build 20 of the things.
It will take decades before Hinkley B is up and running, as they still have not got the prototype working in France, nor the second one in Finland. They should have gone molten salt, thorium and burned up a lot of high level waste in the system
 

delilah

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At this rate the UK will be 100% nuclear powered within decades if electricity is retailing at 50pence a unit, we can afford to build 20 of the things.

They have been saying that for all of my adult life yet nuclear is still stuck where it always has been despite zillions of public money. In that time renewables have gone from pretty much zero to where it is today, with a fraction of the public money. As someone once said, 'if sunbeams were weapons of war we would have had solar energy centuries ago'.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
They have been saying that for all of my adult life yet nuclear is still stuck where it always has been despite zillions of public money. In that time renewables have gone from pretty much zero to where it is today, with a fraction of the public money. As someone once said, 'if sunbeams were weapons of war we would have had solar energy centuries ago'.


In Finnish handsšŸ‘


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Dave645

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Arable Farmer
Location
N Lincs
Install solar panels, cut your average price, solar panels have a life time pay back of about 4p/kw over their life.
If your contracting to buy electric in at 30p/kwh or more the payback time will be well under 10 years,

if you have 3 phase you can have. A 10kw system without a lot of hassle, but only 3kw ish if you have single phase you can get larger systems but permission has to be received.
Export prices were only 4-5p /kWh so it makes more sense not to over size the system
Octopus energy are currently offering exports at 7.5p/kwh but that maybe for domestic.

so 10kw solar the uk average production would be 9000kwh produced, but your area will vary this.
But not evenly this chart is an average
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If you take you will get 4-5p/kwh you exported electric, work out how much you maybe able to use in the day time given the time of year. You estimate your average self consumption which is the % you on average use on farm and then the rest is estimated to be exported.
So when you get an estimate for the installed cost, you can work out your pay back time.

or work out the payback time on 100% exported look at the average running cost which is a new inverter every 10-15 years work out if you never consumed the electric how long it will take to pay you back.

ebay have kits from Ā£6k but letā€™s take Ā£10k as a fitted price. So Ā£11.5 with another inverter over 25 years the long term cost if you just exported the electric is 25 years the system can last longer but 30 years is the average.

but if you can self consume 50% and your paying 40p/kwh
So 4500 units at 5p/kwh makes you Ā£225 per year
And 4500 units self consumed saving 40p each. That saves you Ā£1800 per year
Total payback per year Ā£2025 the system is payed for in 5 years then your getting free electric for the next 20 plus years.

solar is the only way to cut you long term electric bills.
Get an electric car and you can charge it in the day time, free fuel, for your car.

the key is to be honest with the % of self consumption when doing your sums, adding batteries can increase this as can an EV but even if the % is only 25% there are savings to be made, I cannot see electric prices dropping over the long run even if they fall over the next year or so, but the long term trend is up, especially with the investment into nuclear planned.
do the maths get some installed prices
 
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teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
It's quite interesting seeing how much domestic energy we save by going to be at 10pm rather than 12pm. Although I did catch Mrs teslacoils putting towels in the drier rather than on the line to "make them fuffier". Will be sneaking fabric conditioner in the shopping next.
 

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