Good News in the pig trade

midlandslad

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Location
Midlands
Mine are already in rear to be housed in the first week of July so it’s too late. I wish I’d been aware in late January as to how things would develop.

Also, I don’t think I’ve told anyone what to do as regards their next flocks.
Would you cancel the next flocks if you could?

The job needs supply to fall quite simply both in the egg sector and with pigs.

Those that have new sheds borrowed to the hilt will be left with no alternative but to carry on assuming the bank will support them.
 

Daniel

Member
Would you cancel the next flocks if you could?

The job needs supply to fall quite simply both in the egg sector and with pigs.

Those that have new sheds borrowed to the hilt will be left with no alternative but to carry on assuming the bank will support them.
Yes I would, although our borrowings aren’t as high as those who’ve built in the last 5 years they are still significant, but I think we could still just about cover the mortgage with the increased profits from this years grain and reasonably bought fert.

However to do that we would have had to have been alive to the danger back in January and been cancelling the pullets then. Now, we would have to pay for the pullets and the mortgage in order to cancel and we can’t stomach it. There seems to be little option but to plough on and hope the job turns?

What will your approach be?
 

stretch3050

Member
I've cancelled my flock for September, its cheaper for me to pay the mortgage rather than subsidise the poultry and have to work 7 day s a week. the other issues is that the risks are getting much larger to have birds in with rising costs and AI every winter.

I'll probably advertise the sheds to rent if anyone is looking for two 16,000 multi tier sheds!
 

Daniel

Member
I've cancelled my flock for September, its cheaper for me to pay the mortgage rather than subsidise the poultry and have to work 7 day s a week. the other issues is that the risks are getting much larger to have birds in with rising costs and AI every winter.

I'll probably advertise the sheds to rent if anyone is looking for two 16,000 multi tier sheds!
Agree this is the best approach for now. I’ve also asked the pullet company to offer my July birds to the packers who are looking to restock after their AI outbreaks, if they’re keen to keep their packing stations running they might, maybe, want some pullets to restock with.
 
Location
N Yorks
Agree this is the best approach for now. I’ve also asked the pullet company to offer my July birds to the packers who are looking to restock after their AI outbreaks, if they’re keen to keep their packing stations running they might, maybe, want some pullets to restock with.
What’s the impact of culling the present flock a few weeks early on your margins, health etc
 

Daniel

Member
What’s the impact of culling the present flock a few weeks early on your margins, health etc
1/3 go on the 23rd May, the other 2/3 on the 30th May, probably couldn't get them rebooked in any sooner and given all the costs have been incurred bar the last bit of feed and the electric it probably wouldn't make much difference to margins now.

Timing wise for us the problem is the new flock, and we were just too late to cancel, producers due to house later in the year can do that if they wish, but its a grim choice to have to make.

There was a decent bit on BBC Breakfast this morning about the birds being let out and the price crisis, the retailers will just ignore it again though.

@midlandslad you haven't said what you intend to do?!
 

midlandslad

Member
Location
Midlands
1/3 go on the 23rd May, the other 2/3 on the 30th May, probably couldn't get them rebooked in any sooner and given all the costs have been incurred bar the last bit of feed and the electric it probably wouldn't make much difference to margins now.

Timing wise for us the problem is the new flock, and we were just too late to cancel, producers due to house later in the year can do that if they wish, but its a grim choice to have to make.

There was a decent bit on BBC Breakfast this morning about the birds being let out and the price crisis, the retailers will just ignore it again though.

@midlandslad you haven't said what you intend to do?!
I don’t have any free range hens, it is a sector I have previously looked to get into but the exceptionally high build costs and limited margins managed to persuade me not to bother.
 

Pan mixer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
As a breeder feeder of pigs I am jealous of you poultry boys (and girls) being able to even think of giving in for a bit.

With our kind of pig job, and at my stage of maturity, I think that giving in now would be the lot as far as pigs on my farm are concerned, forever.

It is amazing how buildings etc deteriorate so quickly when they are empty for any length of time, then the start up costs and production lag would be totally stratospheric, peak borrowing being almost 18 months after the first gilts come along. I shudder to even think about that.

But, back to the good news for pigs in your posts - less demand for feed grain may ease the price down a fraction :)
 
As a breeder feeder of pigs I am jealous of you poultry boys (and girls) being able to even think of giving in for a bit.

With our kind of pig job, and at my stage of maturity, I think that giving in now would be the lot as far as pigs on my farm are concerned, forever.

It is amazing how buildings etc deteriorate so quickly when they are empty for any length of time, then the start up costs and production lag would be totally stratospheric, peak borrowing being almost 18 months after the first gilts come along. I shudder to even think about that.

But, back to the good news for pigs in your posts - less demand for feed grain may ease the price down a fraction :)
I can't help thinking that with over 10% of the sow herd gone or going there will at some point be a very healthy margin in the job.
 

Daniel

Member
As a breeder feeder of pigs I am jealous of you poultry boys (and girls) being able to even think of giving in for a bit.

With our kind of pig job, and at my stage of maturity, I think that giving in now would be the lot as far as pigs on my farm are concerned, forever.

It is amazing how buildings etc deteriorate so quickly when they are empty for any length of time, then the start up costs and production lag would be totally stratospheric, peak borrowing being almost 18 months after the first gilts come along. I shudder to even think about that.

But, back to the good news for pigs in your posts - less demand for feed grain may ease the price down a fraction :)
Oh, restarting the sheds would be a headache, it’s bad enough after a washdown, hinges and feed tracks rusted up etc.

But I’m under no illusions that the pig sector has had a worse time of it even than poultry, what with all the slaughter house problems as well.
 

Good news or smoke and mirrors?
They've for quite a while had a good dedicated supply chain with a processor, the processor's own production arm (BQP) and a handful of other producers. I would have thought that it's pretty genuine.
 
Very sad to hear that Dr Zoe Davies is resigning as NPA Chief Executive after 14 sterling years

I'm sure the rollover crisis has taken it's toll on her and I, for one, would like to publicly thank her for going above and beyond for the NPA members and industry as a whole
Yes she's gone above and beyond the call of duty and built and led her team very well.
Pig producer's loss is East Anglia NFU's gain where she will become Regional Director.
 
retail price has to increase surely, crazy situation for producers

supermarkets showing their true colours here
One supermarket in particular and one or two of the processors.
Yes, it's utterly crazy, they line their pockets while producers lose vast amounts of money. Can't wait for the situation to be reversed if I can survive that long. It's a really high stakes gamble now.
 

Batty

Member
They've for quite a while had a good dedicated supply chain with a processor, the processor's own production arm (BQP) and a handful of other producers. I would have thought that it's pretty genuine.
If some supermarkets are to offer higher prices for there suppliers that’s a great start but if those suppliers chose to pass that money back to there own in house pig production and let the independent’s receive a lower price for supplies to other retailers then that puts a different spin on the whole situation?
 

Nukemall

Member
I could rewrite the article to say: "We are now going to pay our producers a fair price for the pigs they produce, to reflect the fact that their inputs have more than doubled and they are complying with our required standards that add significantly to their cost of production over and above that of imported pig meat."

My wife read a comment on this article this morning. It said why are we supporting these farmers? They get a fortune in government subsidies, and now the supermarkets are having to subsidise them as well. 🤔
 

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