- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Yes and I’m going to do some again on Monday for a chap will keep you posted on the results.
Quite useful in that it’s deep rooting to help soil structure.
Red Clover
- Thread starter M-J-G
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Quite useful in that it’s deep rooting to help soil structure.
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
Always been curious with the cattle job as I’ve not seen any reduced fertility grazing a red clover ley when bulling?
Agree with Kev on all that, most important part about RC is keep the mower up off the crown, you’ll soon be pee'd at the lack of it when your done. Pretty much goes for most mowing as well, I started leaving a 4/5” stubble mainly because I couldn’t be arsed changing the bed when going from clover to straight grass and the recovery time is a good week better overall
M-J-G
Member
If sown now, when would it be cut?
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Always read the label
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
Yes with great success, I’ve some RC and vetch in at the moment as a chap protein sauce and N fixer for following crop. It’s up and going nicely after two weeks in the ground even in the baking hot and no rain
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Depends on how well it establishes to be honest
Some cut it after about 3-4 months in an Italian mix
So many variables and no two fields or locations are the same.
M-J-G
Member
Am I right in thinking that it's it's not particularly productive in it's first season compared to those thereafter?
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
Terrible in the first cut you’ll ever take off it and you’ll almost wonder if there’s any clover in there. 50kgs an acre of N in its first cutting will spit the grass on enough to get a good crop of something then second cut it’ll start swamping the place and you’ll wonder if you’ve any grass
I know I certainly did
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Correct
It needs time to establish plenty I never like cutting new leys too soon.
M-J-G
Member
Can it be sown in the Autumn so that it's ready to go the following spring?Terrible in the first cut you’ll ever take off it and you’ll almost wonder if there’s any clover in there. 50kgs an acre of N in its first cutting will spit the grass on enough to get a good crop of something then second cut it’ll start swamping the place and you’ll wonder if you’ve any grass
- Location
- South Molton
I've just done the same, with some crimson clover as well.
Hoping to get some lucerne in later this year and drop another 2% protein cost out of the winter ration
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Don’t think it affects cattle fertility but I’d be concerned with bloat in a very high RC ley again down to management though.
Yes. Use it here and love it. Would probably prefer a late august sowing but have 30 acres that’s in its third year after a spring sowing. 2 fields were after grass the other after arable. Used spring beans as a nurse crop and made a good feed.
just need a good covering of muck in the autumn and let it flower once a year comfortably get 3 cuts off of it.
Use it for growing and finishing cattle and there is a massive saving over the previous ration.
just need a good covering of muck in the autumn and let it flower once a year comfortably get 3 cuts off of it.
Use it for growing and finishing cattle and there is a massive saving over the previous ration.
- Location
- South Molton
Being patient pays.
Treat your ley right and she will keep coming back for more.....as the Bishop said to the Actress
- Location
- South Molton
Graze ours later in year, never had a case of bloat on RC
- Location
- West Somerset
bit of veg oil in the water trough everyday sorts that problem
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
If I’m doing a full reseed yes, best to have it in in back end, light graze over winter and watch it go bang in the spring. I’ve 10 acre of three year old seeds and this spring has blown me away. The bulk and lushness of the grass is unreal and no N
Sids dead right, patients is key with clover
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Learn something new every day herebit of veg oil in the water trough everyday sorts that problem
Often remember my late grandfather telling me about going to a bullock bad with bloat on red clover and having to use a trochar on the beast.
May have been worse then with different varieties ???
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Will do ok on dampish ground but won’t tolerate water logging.