Clarkson on the nail again?

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Let's agree that as an industry we do need some sort of ambassador with a public persona.

And now name someone who is more effective....

You don't have to like him but from what I can see he's the individual who's taking the message to the public the most.

Prepared to see evidence to the contrary but if there is none I suggest folk understand who their friends are and be grateful.

Although that's as likely as Shrewsbury winning the cup!

doesn't that depend which Cup? Until you define the actual Cup competition we do not know the likely chances!! Sorry, I am off out now and will collect my coat on the way!
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Hmm. I bet his balance sheet is something to be proud of. Yes he's a good wordsmith but there's a brain and an enterprising individual behind it
I wouldnt call him a 'word smith'.
Just read the op fully, yes typical blunt observation, no more that any one with intelligence and a healthy Worldly knowledge and view , thinks.

Tbh i hadn't read it and wasn't aware that he was not in favour of Brexit....

"This time, though, it’ll be worse. And then we’ll get the right-wing, anti-immigration parties leaping onto their soap boxes and blaming the EU, which will cause Europe to fragment and then the world’s last bastion of liberalism and common sense and decency will be broken."

well that's put him right up in my estimation , still would be further up that if he had a solar array and turbine , that would a bit more enterprising as well ....
the mans personality will never cause him to be inspiring though which is needed now far more than negative statement.



Anyway I leave you to you important but unfortunately unproductive discussions as 'Monday is paperwork day ' :sick: .
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
It’s enlightening when you hear from the general public about Clarkson’s TV series. I don’t interract with the public crossing/walking on my land as we’re luckily a little away from a big town/city but I do go on other forums nowt to do with farming. On those his series has almost universally been met with huge enthusiasm by the general public. It seems that just about everyone has has their eyes opened in a positive way. People don‘t just like his series, they absolutely love it. And this includes a lot of people who previously loathed the man but have now had to rethink their position because of his series and what he’s shown them about a tiny piece of farming.
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Unfortunately it’s not worked out the way they thought it would i.e eastern Ukraine secedes to Russian control within days of the Russians moving in.
China is a major importer of LNG and even if he is bestest buddies with Putin any sizeable gas pipeline into the country is years away and Russian LNG plants being constructed are built in European technology which the companies have pulled their support and licenses for. Yes they have coal but they fell out with the Aussies for their meddling in politics in the country and didnt like getting called out for it, not a good tactic if you use more energy than you can produce domestically.
Europes biggest issue is that they did not listen to Trump when he told Merkel and her cronies to build LNG import terminals, yes he was the statesman and businessman trying to find a home for’associated’ gas produced with their shale oil boom which is flared off at the separation sites.
As stated in this thread there is plenty gas in the world, just in the wrong place and a lot of people are going to pay for our elected officials lack of foresight no matter what country you live in.
The chaos that the Ukraine war and subsequent energy crisis has brought will likely lead to world war if it leads to a food crisis globally. What is happening in Sri Lanka may be just the starter for five, but let’s hope not.
All very interesting, and dismaying. Russia and China hold so many cards. I know that Germans are embarrassed by the degree of their government's presumptions about energy. Not that my view matters in any way, but I feel that Merkel's resisting of Trump influences was a good thing for her Federation. Had terminals gone ahead, there would have been a Trumpian gloatfest, and trouble at 't mill in Germany. Nobody expected this war, despite everything.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
I wouldnt call him a 'word smith'.
Just read the op fully, yes typical blunt observation, no more that any one with intelligence and a healthy Worldly knowledge and view , thinks.

Tbh i hadn't read it and wasn't aware that he was not in favour of Brexit....

"This time, though, it’ll be worse. And then we’ll get the right-wing, anti-immigration parties leaping onto their soap boxes and blaming the EU, which will cause Europe to fragment and then the world’s last bastion of liberalism and common sense and decency will be broken."

well that's put him right up in my estimation , still would be further up that if he had a solar array and turbine , that would a bit more enterprising as well .



Anyway I leave you to you important discussions , as 'Monday is paperwork day ' :sick: .
He's a columnist , popular and has wide reach. Not a fan of Top Gear during his tenure, it certainly became very formulaic but my word his net worth soared

If he's paid to write for a National Newspaper, he's a columnist, I'm not even saying I agree with what he writes. I bet off camera he's pretty incisive now with a few years under his belt farming when it comes to financial and operational decisions. He'll be well advised but somehow I don't think JC or Kaleb are the straw chewers their media presence portrays
 
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primmiemoo

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Devon
The bloke is a self publicizing loud mouth, no more. The fact that so many see him as an ambassador for UK ag, simply because he is able to whinge more eloquently than the average farmer, says a lot about the industry.
I would have disagreed with you ~ until he "diversified" in the style of a Grundy.
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
It’s enlightening when you hear from the general public about Clarkson’s TV series. I don’t interract with the public crossing/walking on my land as we’re luckily a little away from a big town/city but I do go on other forums nowt to do with farming. On those his series has almost universally been met with huge enthusiasm by the general public. It seems that just about everyone has has their eyes opened in a positive way. People don‘t just like his series, they absolutely love it. And this includes a lot of people who previously loathed the man but have now had to rethink their position because of his series and what he’s shown them about a tiny piece of farming.
But now, he has "diversified" in the style of a Grundy. He's playing to stereotypes, now.
 

wrenbird

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Livestock Farmer
Location
HR2
Yes, the amount of food wasted in western society is obscene, yes, far too many people are obese because of factory produced gloop that global multi-national conglomerates churn out at vast profit, and the same also control the food chain to the detriment of primary producers everywhere in the world, this is not new, it may exacerbate the problems that are looking likely to hit the world in the future, but they are not the main cause.
Most famine is caused by weather and natural disasters, wars and conflicts that cause mass displacement of people, and politics and corruption.
If the price of basic foodstuffs rockets up in a country where most of the population spends 50% or more of its income on food, that country will very soon have big problems controlling the anger of the people. If a couple of neighbouring countries have the same problems, the whole region is in trouble. If that spreads over most of a whole continent, or two, then the whole world will have problems.
Incidentally @delilah, do you ever go on non-farming related websites that our customers frequent and tell them what muppets they are for shopping in supermarkets, or maybe go on the Tesco website and whenever someone leaves a positive review for a product harangue them for their stupidity in propping up the global food chain?
I’m off now to try Fozzie bears hat on for size.
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
I have never been a fan of Clarkson and he was at the British Farming Awards in Oct as I was .
I was appalled at his language in a room where there was probably 50% ladies .. ....
There was no need for it .......however what he said ,in between his French , was very good and very real .

....but I still say he is a big asset to the Ag industry and we need to give him the due he deserves on that front !
He will be able to speak where most of us can't even get to look !
 

BenAdamsAgri

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Oxfordshire
Three things wrong with Clarkson's scenario:

1. There isn't actually a shortage of oil or gas -there's just a supply/distribution issue

2. The hike in fert prices is due to 1.

3. 90% of Ukraine's land area is not a war zone, wheat etc. is being grown as normal.
according to adm 71% of Ukraines spring cropped area has been planted as of 2nd may compared to last year
 

delilah

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But what does he want ?
Because if he doesn't say what he wants, what, exactly, is he achieving for you ? Nothing. He is just reinforcing the image the public and the politicians have. Whingeing farmers. If that's what you want from an ambassador, crack on.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Quite.
We don't have a food production crisis. We have a food chain crisis.
No you actually have a food production crisis if people want to eat as they are at present. I’m quite happy if people don’t eat all the broccoli and beans they buy from the supermarkets but in the long term people will work it out. Cheap food has allowed people to eat too much and waste too much. Expensive food will make people think a bit more and the end result will be reduced demand. Obviously it’s not a good thing if people in the third world go hungry because grain prices are too high because the west still needs it to feed KFC chickens. Too many people are whining about the Government in the UK not doing anything what do people suggest they should do? Announce that food is running out. That’ll end well I don’t think.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
But what does he want ?
Because if he doesn't say what he wants, what, exactly, is he achieving for you ? Nothing. He is just reinforcing the image the public and the politicians have. Whingeing farmers. If that's what you want from an ambassador, crack on.

What you seem to be missing is that it doesn't matter what he wants.
Likewise, I'm very happy that there is going to be a huge reduction in the amount of food produced, it might mean I get to make enough profit to actually invest in my business.
He [and I], is simply putting a spotlight on the circumstances that farmers are acutely aware of and politicians entirely in denial of.
 

delilah

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All you seem to do is whinge about farmers whinging :scratchhead:

That's bollox. I put the attached together for you. I have pointed countless people to threads on this forum and got them engaged in debate to get them on side, from AHDB to the Moonbat to Joseph Poore. I spend a huge amount of time doing positive stuff. Bollox do I just whinge.
 

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Jackov Altraids

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Devon
That's bollox. I put the attached together for you. I have pointed countless people to threads on this forum and got them engaged in debate to get them on side, from AHDB to the Moonbat to Joseph Poore. I spend a huge amount of time doing positive stuff. Bollox do I just whinge.

I think your efforts are admirable.

But you are pretty consistent in whinging about whinging!!! 🤣 👍
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
But what does he want ?
Because if he doesn't say what he wants, what, exactly, is he achieving for you ? Nothing. He is just reinforcing the image the public and the politicians have. Whingeing farmers. If that's what you want from an ambassador, crack on.
You are obviously not of understanding..... he is not using his column to ask for anything... he is using it to help the public understand the total crap we have to put up with in order to put food on their table .....and is making the point that 99% of the rules we have to follow are just pure nonsense !
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
That's bollox. I put the attached together for you. I have pointed countless people to threads on this forum and got them engaged in debate to get them on side, from AHDB to the Moonbat to Joseph Poore. I spend a huge amount of time doing positive stuff. Bollox do I just whinge.
A lot of the material you put up is good stuff ......don't spoil it with nonsense . 🙂🙂
 

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