The war in Ukraine...

Danilan will be along in a minute to say no. What is a liability is unsupported heavy armour.
Infantry should be poking about in the bushes etc during an advance supported by armour. Infantry should be dug in or concealed in appropriate buildings in defence supported by armour.
Artillery for both too.
The Russians have not got enough quality infantry.

Always has been a liability. Since WW2 in fact. Russians should know better as they saw the same thing during the Hungarian uprising. Saw the same again in Syria when Assad was trying to oust the rebels, armoured vehicles only, no troops dismounted. Russia seeing the same again in Ukraine. Same again with Turkish tanks in Syria. Same again with Saudi tanks in Yemen. Poorly trained troops in vehicles are as vulnerable as poorly trained troops on foot, has always been the case even in the days before drone strikes and precision strike artillery.

Imagine driving a HGV through a warzone with all the windows taped over except some 2 inch high slots to peer through. You can't hide because the vehicle is so big and noisy, whilst you have zero hope of spotting anyone shooting at you.
 
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Danllan

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Danilan will be along in a minute to say no. What is a liability is unsupported heavy armour.
Infantry should be poking about in the bushes etc during an advance supported by armour. Infantry should be dug in or concealed in appropriate buildings in defence supported by armour.
Artillery for both too.
The Russians have not got enough quality infantry.
The Russian BTGs simply don't have enough infantry to cover their armour; against anything other than third-world level troops the BTG is a daft unit size / organisation to have adopted.

It's a point of view. Unhelpful to alliance building but what we have come to expect of the English.
That's a crock of sh!t.

Do you suggest, individual soldiers can take it on themselves, to “borrow” a military helicopter, go on a night time “mission”, without direct orders?
Surely not….

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53597137
The page you link to seems to entirely back up my assertion that there have been no such orders. (y)
 

Danllan

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Whats nonsense.
Seems all about right.
Even eurovision results showed who has done most by the voting there.

And again, why the anti english tone?
Its not wrote by an english person.
Because it shows uk has helped ukraine a lot you dont like it..?
I don't think he is in any way unhappy that the UK has done a lot to help Ukraine, quite the opposite in fact. But he is pro-EU and anti-Brexit and has that baggage.

For myself, and others too I hope, I'd much rather the pro / anti Brexit / EU bitching was carried out on other threads rather than this one, and we all know there are plenty of them for just that purpose. If someone wants to slag off a country, any country - other than Russia - this really isn't the place to do it. Of course I am pro-Brexit, but that doesn't change my view that even pro-Brexit stuff isn't appropriate for here.

Ukraine has been rather horribly attacked, it needs all the help it can get, be it practical or even just moral support and good will. The overwhelming majority of contributors to this thread, regardless of their other political views, agree that Russia is in the wrong and that we should help Ukraine as best we can; I think it would be a good thing if this spirit of agreement is allowed to persist on the thread. :)
 
I don't think he is in any way unhappy that the UK has done a lot to help Ukraine, quite the opposite in fact. But he is pro-EU and anti-Brexit and has that baggage.

For myself, and others too I hope, I'd much rather the pro / anti Brexit / EU bitching was carried out on other threads rather than this one, and we all know there are plenty of them for just that purpose. If someone wants to slag off a country, any country - other than Russia - this really isn't the place to do it. Of course I am pro-Brexit, but that doesn't change my view that even pro-Brexit stuff isn't appropriate for here.

Ukraine has been rather horribly attacked, it needs all the help it can get, be it practical or even just moral support and good will. The overwhelming majority of contributors to this thread, regardless of their other political views, agree that Russia is in the wrong and that we should help Ukraine as best we can; I think it would be a good thing if this spirit of agreement is allowed to persist on the thread. :)
I agree & I'm extremely anti Brexit.

Russia is enemy number one. We will have other squabbles once Russia is beaten.
 
Whats nonsense.
Seems all about right.
Even eurovision results showed who has done most by the voting there.

And again, why the anti english tone?
Its not wrote by an english person.
Because it shows uk has helped ukraine a lot you dont like it..?
It's an anti British interest pro extreme English nationalist anti NATO article.
It can't accept that brexit has been won and keeps trying to shoehorn in it's anti reality nonsense by claiming Finland is part of the "Anglosphere".
Clear?

The UK needs allies. Get over it.
 

Vader

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It's an anti British interest pro extreme English nationalist anti NATO article.
It can't accept that brexit has been won and keeps trying to shoehorn in it's anti reality nonsense by claiming Finland is part of the "Anglosphere".
Clear?

The UK needs allies. Get over it.
Wow got some serious issues there mate to get that...
Anti nato..? It says nato is the future...
Lot about usa as well.
Where you get pro extreme nationalist from i dont know.
Espcially as its written by a irishman, who probably left leaning, (as writes for guardian at times as well) on a european site...
The uk has and needs allies, its in nato...
 
Wow got some serious issues there mate to get that...
Anti nato..? It says nato is the future...
Lot about usa as well.
Where you get pro extreme nationalist from i dont know.
Espcially as its written by a irishman, who probably left leaning, (as writes for guardian at times as well) on a european site...
The uk has and needs allies, its in nato...
Only NATO east of Germany apparently.
It reserves special venom for France and Germany. Or does it only apply to the French and German EU membership?
He's about as Irish as I am. About as Peruvian as Dan Hannan is in fact.
The Anglosphere idea has a long history of woo. Voodoo zombie intellectual nonsense in fact.
We are astoundingly lucky Biden is president so such nonsense can be written and believed by the gullible.
 

Muck Spreader

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Always has been a liability. Since WW2 in fact. Russians should know better as they saw the same thing during the Hungarian uprising. Saw the same again in Syria when Assad was trying to oust the rebels, armoured vehicles only, no troops dismounted. Russia seeing the same again in Ukraine. Same again with Turkish tanks in Syria. Same again with Saudi tanks in Yemen. Poorly trained troops in vehicles are as vulnerable as poorly trained troops on foot, has always been the case even in the days before drone strikes and precision strike artillery.

Imagine driving a HGV through a warzone with all the windows taped over except some 2 inch high slots to peer through. You can't hide because the vehicle is so big and noisy, whilst you have zero hope of spotting anyone shooting at you.
It's been horribly obvious to UK and US tank men since 1944, that tanks are vulnerable to an individual infantryman armed with simple, single use rocket propelled hollow charge device like the Panzerfaust. Something it seems the Russians need to relearn (or hopefully not).
 

BrianV

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I can't help but feel this country has now reached third world status where once upon a time a government stunt like this would have been frowned upon, we may not like how a private citizen like Abramovich got his money but that is a problem for Russia & it's people, to risk the future of a UK football club through government stupidity is frankly troubling & disgusting & only 6 months ago would have been condemned by this country if it had happened in any other country!
Not a Chelsea fan by the way, let's just hope this isn't copied by other countries the next time we go & invade another country!

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arcobob

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I can't help but feel this country has now reached third world status where once upon a time a government stunt like this would have been frowned upon, we may not like how a private citizen like Abramovich got his money but that is a problem for Russia & it's people, to risk the future of a UK football club through government stupidity is frankly troubling & disgusting & only 6 months ago would have been condemned by this country if it had happened in any other country!
Not a Chelsea fan by the way, let's just hope this isn't copied by other countries the next time we go & invade another country!

Chelsea takeover: Government ministers fear sale of club to Todd Boehly consortium could 'fall apart'​

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Do we habitually go and invade other countries? Examples please. You sound exactly like Mad Vlad and his screwaed up aggression theories, Russia has only one enemy and that is itself. I don`t give a sh1t what happens to Chelsea football club as long as it not owned by a corrupt individual or consortium of the same. Unfortunately the chances of avoiding such a fate are few.
 
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BrianV

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Do we habitually go and invade other countries? Examples please. You sound exactly like Mad Vlad and his screwaed up aggression theories, Russia has only one enemy and that is itself. I don`t give a sh1t what happens to Chelsea football club as long as it not owned by a corrupt individual or consortium of the same. Unfortunately the chances of avoiding such a fate are few.
You are joking, whether it's Iraq Afghanistan & others or are you too young to remember those.
Once upon a time this country had moral authority, from WW2 to the Falklands to Kuwait we stood for doing the correct thing, then Blair came along & we became a prime example since then of a country not to be followed as an example.
We invade other countries with no justifiable reason yet condemn others for doing the same, we now confiscate private individuals assets from some countries but not others with just as bad of leadership, we make agreements only to break them later when they don't suit.
There's as much Arab & Chinese money from dodgy countries as Russian money here & has been for a long time but do we care?
How can we ever be taken seriously by demented leaders like Putin when we are no better ourselves?
 

arcobob

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You are joking, whether it's Iraq Afghanistan & others or are you too young to remember those.
Once upon a time this country had moral authority, from WW2 to the Falklands to Kuwait we stood for doing the correct thing, then Blair came along & we became a prime example since then of a country not to be followed as an example.
We invade other countries with no justifiable reason yet condemn others for doing the same, we now confiscate private individuals assets from some countries but not others with just as bad of leadership, we make agreements only to break them later when they don't suit.
There's as much Arab & Chinese money from dodgy countries as Russian money here & has been for a long time but do we care?
How can we ever be taken seriously by demented leaders like Putin when we are no better ourselves?
Can you not distinguish between acts of territorial gain and those of defending one’s territory? Putin is an aggressor without provocation and you clearly fail to see that. He has a power grab agenda without question and it is all about control of the Black Sea and the complete annexation of the Ukraine by rendering it landlocked country.
Your hero has gambled and failed and has forced alliances which he suggested are inadvisable. This is a situation which has been driven by his shambolic mis-management of post Soviet Russia and his attempts to restore a failed monster state. Russia is, by any measure, a pathetic failure of pre-revolutionary standards.
 
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