That's a big price to pay to go shooting and fishing
Share farming/ contract farming sheep
- Thread starter marsh89
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- Cheshire
They always seem to be in demand though… personally I work on the basis of ignoring 99% of what “advisors” tell you too do. I know a few too many outfits that have gone south, a couple even gone bump from listening too much to “advisors” and not thinking for themselves!
Yeah but everyone will think your a twit in mustard cords....
- Location
- Cheshire
I’d be an advisor… that’s pretty much announcing too the world “I’m a twit” and I thought that’s what they all wore? You see them in the paper at these talks all ponced up?
I've never paid enough attention to them to notice what they wear
I can't see you as an advisor imagine telling arable farmers you wanted them to buy small blackie lambs to sell in April and may after keeping tiem behind electric all winter you'd be laughed out the door at the thought of them having to get outside and dirty
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
Also I think he’s forgotten that land value goes up and it being farmed well keeps that value.
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
The thing about advisors and consultants, is they are absolutely fine when they are advising / consulting on something that they actually know about / do or have done themselves. Or at the very least are willing and able to identify and bring in someone who has that practical knowledge.
Sadly this is so often not the case!
Sadly this is so often not the case!
BELOWAVERAGE
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No I haven't, but if you and glasshouse think it's only worth £30 perhaps your in the wrong job or perhaps doing something wrong, let's face it, all he does is whinge, and you seem to spend your time touring the country looking for ground, on the other hand the other day you said you could sell up and put I think £500,000 in the bank from the sale of your sheep, in which case I think its just a case of you want something for nothing. Funny how farmers on fbt's pay a decent rent and just get on with the job instead of this constant whinging.
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- Fife
Serious question, what percentage of turnover do you think rent should be?
BELOWAVERAGE
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I'll have a think, still milking
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
A lot of grazing isnt even worth zero with owner getting all the subs, fences non existent, overgrown and full of thistles and ragwort.
They read in the paper that grazing is making £200 per acre and think theirs is worth that and wonder why no one wants it
- Location
- West Wales
Or they read that lambs are making £170/head so think an already high rent should double from the year before, even though their grasses are over 30 year old with no water or fences and they’ve got storing land not finishing land.
I had 1 like this, they thought they could make more having it under spuds/cauli’s as they were paying £300/acre. They Ended up losing a load of money on what was a really good ley I’d put in 3 years before, field out of production for 18 months and left full of ruts and compaction. They also paid on planted area which didn’t include the 12m headlands right around the fields.
BELOWAVERAGE
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What on earth has turnover got to do with it, one chap might be lay in bed whilst the other's doing something about it.
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- Fife
It's part of business financial planning.
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- Fife
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
No need to be a d*ck about it
Worry about your own business and I’ll worry about mine.
One day I’ll make my million from it all
I also never said ground was only worth £30. I pay from £25 - £100 an acre, it just depends on the ground and it’s parameters and other competition.
Did you actually read my other post ?
On a low input livestock tenancy (sheep & cattle) the biggest variable for me is gross output value. Rent is running currently at 25-30%. Good landlord and security worth it. Grass was ruined when I took over but with improvement in grass management gross output increases year by year and rent %age reduces. Aiming for below 20%.
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- Fife
The issue comes when the landlord (or agent) realises this. As a reward for your hard work they will expect more rent.
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- West Wales
Poor keep is sometimes best on headache basis. I’m not keen on headache basis but it does work on some tough leys I’ve got where it doesn’t look like they’ll ever be improved by the landlord.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Fine till the local dairy farmer looks over the fence and takes a fancy to it.
Then you will be paying rent on your own work/capital