River Lugg, Herefordshire

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@vladtheimpailer ,why did this particular thread motivate you to become a member of this forum,and why so very little info about your self on your profile page, what have you got to hide??
I get the impression you seem to be on both sides of the fence , as they say, on the “River Lugg” case. :scratchhead:
Another words “being gamekeeper and poacher”.
I have more than a passing interest in rivers and habitat etc. and have been following this particular case with interest. I'm by no means anti-farmer/farming...quite the opposite as it happens.
Mr. Price has been responsible for an act of egregious environmental vandalism and in doing so has damaged the reputation of the farming community... lets face it he is portraying pretty much every negative stereotype that farmers are tarred with, something I don't see any condemnation of on here.
 

serf

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warwickshire
It just shows how arse about face the whole job is when you got folk more bothered about a badge (sssi ect) that has been put on a river than the actual purpose of the thing (to move water down stream ) ,

Everything has been highjacked by environ'mental'ists nowadays,
The river will soon stock back up with the wildlife that was in there.
 

TheTallGuy

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Cambridgeshire
Are you sure about this. The riparian rights have been eroded since before William the Conqueror as the needs. Of millers and navigators took precedence, but required acts of parliament to usurp these rights.
I m amazed that they were restored in one simple act.
The rights have been eroded, but many of the responsibilities have not https://www.gov.uk/guidance/owning-a-watercourse
 

onthehoof

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Cambs
The EA really are total sh!ts
This site was in flood zone 3 (prone to flooding) during the planning application the EA who have a say in the matter and can prevent it being built on, changed the mapping and moved it into flood zone 2 (unlikely to flood) one has to consider why this was done (£££££££??)
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onthehoof

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Cambs
The EA really are total sh!ts
This site was in flood zone 3 (prone to flooding) during the planning application the EA who have a say in the matter and can prevent it being built on, changed the mapping and moved it into flood zone 2 (unlikely to flood) one has to consider why this was done (£££££££??)
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So the drain that caused this is EA responsibility, the have finally admitted this after initially denying it, there are several blockages downstream but instead of clearing them they have now split the drain in 2 and are saying the bottom end where the blockages are is 'low risk' as there is no property affected and the top end is high risk, now anyone with half a brain would realise that if the bottom end is blocked then the risk of flooding upstream is greatly increased but they won't have it and are now spending £thousands building a computer model to prove this!!

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Northern territory

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Flood zone 1 is the safest area to build regarding flooding .
Just because a report might not have been presented on an application does
not mean a particular site is prone to flooding.
That’s a good point, my first house was in a flood zone but was half way up a hill and would never flood in a thousand years.
 

onthehoof

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Cambs
This was one of the blockages that caused the flooding to the McDonalds site along with many other properties in Dec 2020 (£3m damage)

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They did eventually clear the blockage but the force of the water severely damaged the bank and footpath alongside,
but they are saying this is nothing to do with them and 18 months on it still looks like this

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It it the EA who need hauling up in front of a judge but it appears they are accountable to no one!
 

Werzle

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Midlands
This was one of the blockages that caused the flooding to the McDonalds site along with many other properties in Dec 2020 (£3m damage)

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They did eventually clear the blockage but the force of the water severely damaged the bank and footpath alongside,
but they are saying this is nothing to do with them and 18 months on it still looks like this

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It it the EA who need hauling up in front of a judge but it appears they are accountable to no one!
I reported a tree blocking a local river two years ago in the july thinking it was the ideal time to remove it while the river was low, i had a message back saying they had looked at the forcast and the chances of a flood during that week were very low so it wasnt doing any harm!🤦‍♂️ Its still there now but other debris and wood has stacked up against it. Just baffling to anybody with an ounce of commonsense. They are utterly clueless
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
Slightly off topic, but I had to have a flood risk assessment for my new conservatory, due to it being in a flood zone. 2 doors away and at least a meter below me they have allowed the construction of a group of 4 houses 30 metres closer to the river. To lower the risk o0f flooding the builder has then raised the gardens by at least a metre in the flood plain, thus increasing the risk to all above. Years ago the River authority would haver been down on him like a tonne of bricks, of course not a peep today.
 

Hjcarter

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The EA really are total sh!ts
This site was in flood zone 3 (prone to flooding) during the planning application the EA who have a say in the matter and can prevent it being built on, changed the mapping and moved it into flood zone 2 (unlikely to flood) one has to consider why this was done (£££££££??)
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Same thing happened at Sawley junction just off A50 near us.

Land went from zone 3a to something like 2 and magically aldi were able to build a huge distribution center on it....

Mean while I had to fight to get an open barn and shed built!!!

If there's one thing I hate about the UK its the civil service which is increasingly out of touch and not fit for purpose.
 

JCfarmer

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warks
vladtheimpailer could you answer me 2 questions
1. What happens to all the animals living along side the river and in the fields when the water floods their homes?
2. Have you ever tried the experiment filling a pint glass half full of sand and then pouring in a pint of water to see if it all fits in?
 
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onthehoof

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Cambs
vladtheimpailer could you answer me 2 questionons
1. What happens to all the animals living along side the river and in the fields when the water floods their homes?
2. Have you ever tried the experiment filling a pint glass half full of sand and then pouring in a pint of water to see if it all fits in?
.... or not cleaning the plughole on your bath for 30 years
 

onthehoof

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Cambs
Same thing happened at Sawley junction just off A50 near us.

Land went from zone 3a to something like 2 and magically aldi were able to build a huge distribution center on it....
Perhaps this is widespread and needs investigating, anyone got the contact for Panorama??
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
These days it's not necessarily the responsibility of the EA to do such works, but that of the Riparian Landowners who may have to obtain consent from the EA for the nature of the works.
It was always thus. Its just that we all got used to the "River Boards" choosing to exercise their powers. Faced with cuts in maintenance budgets (and out-of-control H&S policies) they now choose NOT to use their powers in many cases.

Are you sure about this. The riparian rights have been eroded since before William the Conqueror as the needs. Of millers and navigators took precedence, but required acts of parliament to usurp these rights.
I m amazed that they were restored in one simple act.
He's right.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
What beats me is the EA will always moan the budgets been cut but they waste what money they have. Top spec trucks with winches that have never been used when chopped in, inspection gates for access put in by outside contractors from hundreds of miles away when local firms could do it but gates arent needed when stiles would do. Loads of small things that must add up to hundreds of thousands. They even sold off the tractors and kit at losses at one point and then contracted out the work . They spend millions on flood prevention in towns with crappy portable walls but could stop the flooding with river , ditch and flood plain maintainance. Its bloody frustrating to witness. They really need shaming in a massive way.
Pretty much described why I left the EA... :(
 

Muddyroads

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Exeter, Devon
Same thing happened at Sawley junction just off A50 near us.

Land went from zone 3a to something like 2 and magically aldi were able to build a huge distribution center on it....

Mean while I had to fight to get an open barn and shed built!!!

If there's one thing I hate about the UK its the civil service which is increasingly out of touch and not fit for purpose.
It’s these type of cases which Mr Prices barrister should be highlighting to the judge as mitigation for what he did.
 
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