Biodiversity offsetting - Anyone done it?

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Both, dealing with a developer directly (parent of the development shell, as theyre looking for a site that could cover developments going 10years into the future).

interesting point you make about the council persuing the landowner if the deal isnt met - Legals Ive received basically state unless the council is party to the agreement the contract becomes null and unenforceable as a lease or normal commercial contract on non payment - If the annual payment is not made, then the contract is breached - serve notice as normal and if not remedied then it can be deemed void as all normal contracts - Council would only be able to persue the land owner if the land owner had an agreement with the council directly and agreed to the contract.
In effect the landowner is Selling the "offset" to the developer to allow them to "offset" the development. If the developer does not pay for the offset, then the landowner does not have to provide it to them, (think like the BPS entitlements) .

Their is no legal mechanism in planning law or contract law for the council to force the 3rd party landowner to treat.


I think this above sums up why the developers do not want to own the land at all - if they need to, or if something happens and they cant pay, the council cant do a thing
Thanks, very interesting. If that legal opinion holds up then either biodiversity offsetting is "dead in the water", developers will have to find another business model or the law must change.

Councils have agreed to SUDS schemes for years that fail to be maintained, gradually reducing their benefit, but this could mean total loss of all "offset" biodiversity at a stroke.
 
Which council will have otherwise why would any developer bother?

They'll just say they are doing it and then once the houses are built not do the offsetting. There is a type of agreement called S106 which is an agreement between the council for monies and services rendered in exchange for planning permission, they are watertight and these offsetting agreements between developer and council will be similar.

I have been at this long enough to know that developers will do anything to get planning permission and that includes selling you up the river. If you're happy that you aren't going to get screwed then it's a great way to increase your income whilst providing environmental benefits.
Yes your pretty bang on their - S106 are pretty water tight, tho they have a limit of 10 years, I know of one in leeds which has just been revoked as it was not enforced for 15 years and ruled unenforceable - so S106 can be worked around, especially if the developer structures the delivery of the S106 linked to council work on highways that dont go ahead for vairous reasons, tho planners are wise to the highways access delay tactics now.

Think of it like this - biodiversity offsetting is abit like entitlements, to develop 1 acre of land you need 1.1 acres of Offset "entitlement" to claim you planning.
you buy the offset off a landowner doing something that qualifies as an offset.
If you dont pay for the entitlement from the land owner, then they dont give you the offset entitlement.

I am aware in my case the planners are wanting me to be a joint signatory to the planning, which I have outright refused - Legal advice is the planners cant actually demand much more than proof of ofset via either an approved defra offset scheme, bank (environment bank for example) or approved project. Obviously, like anything involving Eco mentalists and jhonsonian badgerhumpers its going to be a disorganised shitshow of the highest order,
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Yes your pretty bang on their - S106 are pretty water tight, tho they have a limit of 10 years, I know of one in leeds which has just been revoked as it was not enforced for 15 years and ruled unenforceable - so S106 can be worked around, especially if the developer structures the delivery of the S106 linked to council work on highways that dont go ahead for vairous reasons, tho planners are wise to the highways access delay tactics now.

Think of it like this - biodiversity offsetting is abit like entitlements, to develop 1 acre of land you need 1.1 acres of Offset "entitlement" to claim you planning.
you buy the offset off a landowner doing something that qualifies as an offset.
If you dont pay for the entitlement from the land owner, then they dont give you the offset entitlement.

I am aware in my case the planners are wanting me to be a joint signatory to the planning, which I have outright refused - Legal advice is the planners cant actually demand much more than proof of ofset via either an approved defra offset scheme, bank (environment bank for example) or approved project. Obviously, like anything involving Eco mentalists and jhonsonian badgerhumpers its going to be a disorganised shitshow of the highest order,
The intention is sound. We MUST stop concreting over nature without making up for it elsewhere. The problem is how to make sure it is a genuine replacement.

The system emerging now still appears to lack robustness despite the development industry claiming it is excessive. To be worth doing, all offsetting must last as long as the development that caused the need. THAT'S what the development industry can't accept. It's just antithetical to their business model.

There is a serious risk of land owners being left "holding the baby" in these schemes imho and councils must aren't up to the task of managing this effectively.
 

BenAdamsAgri

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BASE UK Member
Location
Oxfordshire
Are they planning a baseline survey followed by updates at intervals? If not then it's a robust as a chocolate teapot.

The money is attractive, indeed you could d virtually retire on putting a 200 acre farm into that, but:

  • What impact on tax treatment of the income?
  • What impact on the land value?
  • What tax treatment if you choose to sell the land?
  • If you want to resume farming it 'intensively' after the 30 years what would it cost to do so?
  • How are the annual payments guaranteed (many developers regularly close the company and restart under a new name to escape old obligations)?
baseline survey is calculated using the biodiversity metric 3.0
 
With farm land at 8000 to 10000 an acre
25 k per ha buys the land no need to pay a rent
why pay more than that plenty of low grade 3 land that is either to thin drought prone or wet heavy land needing draining
unless the land has to be close to the development
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Are they planning a baseline survey followed by updates at intervals? If not then it's a robust as a chocolate teapot.

The money is attractive, indeed you could d virtually retire on putting a 200 acre farm into that, but:

  • What impact on tax treatment of the income?
  • What impact on the land value?
  • What tax treatment if you choose to sell the land?
  • If you want to resume farming it 'intensively' after the 30 years what would it cost to do so?
  • How are the annual payments guaranteed (many developers regularly close the company and restart under a new name to escape old obligations)?
under the current guidelines, I am guessing that the ground would have become a species rich habitat and therefore would never be able to be farmed intensively again, rather like the "once a woodland, always a woodland", so for that reason alone, I would be inclined to decline or at least want to be able to purchase other local land plus get a bit of an income.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
With farm land at 8000 to 10000 an acre
25 k per ha buys the land no need to pay a rent
why pay more than that plenty of low grade 3 land that is either to thin drought prone or wet heavy land needing draining
unless the land has to be close to the development
But they absolutely do not want to be left owning the land once the development is complete because they'd be liable for potentially large cost if it failed to continue delivering the required total biodiversity. They want a clear price now to deal with the issue for ever, price it in to the job then build the houses and walk away.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
under the current guidelines, I am guessing that the ground would have become a species rich habitat and therefore would never be able to be farmed intensively again, rather like the "once a woodland, always a woodland", so for that reason alone, I would be inclined to decline or at least want to be able to purchase other local land plus get a bit of an income.
The Devil, will be in the Detail...

Sounds potentially as bad as SFI prescriptions in some ways, but much, much better renumeration... ;)
 
But they absolutely do not want to be left owning the land once the development is complete because they'd be liable for potentially large cost if it failed to continue delivering the required total biodiversity. They want a clear price now to deal with the issue for ever, price it in to the job then build the houses and walk away.
So take their payments for unproductive land and buy additional better land to farm with the money
 

Hampton

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BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Looking for anyones experience, Ive been approached by two companies now regarding offsetting associated with nearby housing developments (on separate fields ) - One hasnt made any offer yet the other is offering £23k/ha upfront and £950/ha for 30 years linked to inflation - 0.5% with a 5% cap (ironic given the 5% cap would of seemed attractive last year, less so this year).

Has anyone else done it?

So far the basics are pretty simple - no improvement of the land, IE no new drainage, Lime or fertilizer.
Max one herbicide application per 5 year period, requiring justification IE overwhelming thistle or rush issue.

Grazing to be "prescribed" IE no grazing march to end of June, Hay can be cut once every 3rd year (field hasnt been cut for 40 years but could be).

Looks like the aim is basically a form of minimum management with grazing to gradually depelete PK reserves and to manage grass while allowing around 40 to 50 trees per HA to grow, and the grassland to revert to a form of rough pasture or a wildflower meadow.

Has anyone any experience of how these go? Obvisouly rough pasture and cutting meadows are less productive but still have a vital spot to play in farming, combined with a system paying 4x BPS rates to support farming going forwards for 30 years the appeal is strong, but obvisouly if there likely to become another BS BS /ER type save the world with thistles type of scam that wrecks the land, then Im obviously out for the count and ringing the lime man tomorrow!
Is that £950/ha/year for 30 years or £950/ha for 30 years (approx £32/ha/year)
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I thought solar farms were talking around £1000/acre per year, 2 1/2 times as much as that. And you get your land back at the end to do as you will....
They might be..... ;)

However, the OP mentioned £23K/ha upfront as well, which is a nice sweetener...

I'm wondering if solar and the offset could work together??? Far too logical I guess
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Because they don't WANT to own land, except short term to build on it and sell it at a huge profit. Their business model is to make the money and move on. It's why they don't retain ownership of the roads and infrastructure they create, they are only seen as an unavoidable liability to be unloaded onto anyone they can, ideally the local authority. If all else fails they set up a shell company to dump them into and then walk away from it (effectively what all "management companies" are).

Hence my questions above; are they setting up a "trust fund" to make the annual payments or what? I suspect so hence their upper limit on RPI or else they'd have to put more money in just in case inflation went wild....
they are offering £9,307/ac upfront for land that may only be worth £6k.... :scratchhead: None of these companies will be around to make payment in year 30, many wont survive to make payment in year 3 I would bet.... The legal docs want looking at with the finest of fine tooth combs! Say it was a 10Ac block... a wise man might take the money and use it to buy 10ac next door... even if the scheme land was woodland by year 30 you are still farming 10Ac and have gained a 10Ac wood for free and have received payments on it... For some it could be a very good little earner, others will get badly burnt. I suppose when you consider developers may be paying upto £1million for an acre of development land in some parts, paying £9K to buy an acre of biodiversity offsetting is chump change! Of course in lower value areas its just another hurdle that reduces house building, adds another cost burden and further drives up the house price inflation spiral we are in.
 

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