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They are all lightweight torpedoes used on RN Ships with are range up to 11km. But removing anti submarine torpedo's just makes the ship a sitting duck if the helicopter is unable to fly because of bad weather or breakdown.
The war in Ukraine...
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ollie989898
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There are other weapons you can use instead.
Danllan
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Good news that Russia has now confirmed for itself that it can't exercise any naval power in the Western end of the Black Sea, nor defend its 'own' by the use of naval power. And even more Russian units are refusing to fight.
I do wish we - the UK and others - would get a move on with the the heavy kit though; the sooner those f^cking Russian guns can be silenced.
I do wish we - the UK and others - would get a move on with the the heavy kit though; the sooner those f^cking Russian guns can be silenced.
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This is how a Russian Ammo dump goes up after being on the receiving end of a Tochka 2 missile
I think you'd mainly be wearing the brown trousers ,after that !!
I think you'd mainly be wearing the brown trousers ,after that !!
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Some good stuff from Germany, better late than never 
www.ukrinform.net
Ukraine receives from Germany first batch of Panzerhaubitze artillery units
Germany has delivered to Ukraine as part of security assistance the first consignment of Panzerhaubitze2000 self-propelled artillery units. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
And take note , delivered with trained crews, all those takes time.Some good stuff from Germany, better late than never
Ukraine receives from Germany first batch of Panzerhaubitze artillery units
Germany has delivered to Ukraine as part of security assistance the first consignment of Panzerhaubitze2000 self-propelled artillery units. — Ukrinform.
Ukraine are bringing in fresh forces with modern equipment, Russia is reinforcing with older conscripts poorly trained and out dated equipment.
Danllan
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That's true this time, but sometimes late is as much good as never. Let's hope that now it's started to flow, it won't stop.Some good stuff from Germany, better late than never
Ukraine receives from Germany first batch of Panzerhaubitze artillery units
Germany has delivered to Ukraine as part of security assistance the first consignment of Panzerhaubitze2000 self-propelled artillery units. — Ukrinform.
And that's only going to continue; reports of Russia 'recruiting' a tithe of border guards now... if this carries on they'll either have to start sending their police or begin drafting the general population. Either of those would have a good chance of leading to significant domestic problems for Putin - increased crime and general unrest.
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Are you going to volunteer as BBC front line reporter checking how accurate the Russian artillary are at not shelling civilian areas. Might be better if the BBC attached remote camera's to snails to keep pace with the Russian advance.
ollie989898
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Throw a load of naval mines into the Black sea. Anything that can be done to stifle the Russians and their economy is all fair game in my view.
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I completely agree, everything or almost everything has been too late from when the Ukrainians have wanted it.
I'm sure the military in the USA, Britain and the other countries have known what was needed, for example those longer range multi rocket systems that are only now getting their but Ukraine wanted much earlier.
The problem I suppose is the politics of not upsetting Putin to much and stopping the gas Europe depends on or Biden being accused of being a warmonger wanting WW 3
I think he's done quite well on the whole and my biggest fear is if Trump gets back in he'd undermine the West's actions to help Ukraine for his pal Putin.
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Hmm... that's fairly long-term, but I don't think it likely Trump will regain the presidency.
As was mentioned earlier, training takes time, standard infantry training to a good standard - such as we'll be providing to Ukraine - can just, just be squeezed into a four month slot. Some kit, e.g. NLAW, can be mastered pretty quickly, but some stuff takes many weeks / months to become competent with, plus techies have to be trained in maintenance and repairs.
I don't criticise Germany in taking time to supply and train with the kit posted above; but it really did take the p!ss regarding standard artillery and other user-friendly stuff. But now they've started, perhaps it was a mental hurdle they had to overcome, we'll see.
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I hope you're right on Trump, Zelensky didn't do his bidding about investigating Joe Biden's son and if there's one thing I know about Trump from his actions in Aberdeenshire is that he always holds a grudge, until he get even as he views it.
Obviously you've the expertise about what training is required, it just seems slow to get started from what I can see but maybe/ hopefully more going on behind the scenes that us ordinary folks aren't told about.
I can't help thinking if Ukraine could win and get through this mess they would surely be an asset to NATO, for manpower at least ??
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Trump is childish, but his re-election seems improbable; as does the incumbent...
My 'expertise' is decades out of date, but I have a few friends still serving who know their stuff. Setting up any org' from scratch always takes longer than you want, or hope, but it has to be done properly and that does take time.
Ukraine has received a hell of a lot of help that hasn't been made public, but it still needs as much more as it can get. It should have been brought into NATO years ago, but France and Germany blocked it and we - and others - didn't push hard enough.
Long-term as its economy and accountability improve, maybe after accession to the EU, it almost certainly will join NATO. Russia is a paper tiger with one claw - its nukes. But it knows that using them would mean its own end; it keeps making threats, overt or veiled, but they are getting boring now.
The fact is, Russia - i.e. Putin - has humiliated itself dreadfully and there is no way out to save face. It can talk big militarily, but it can't do anything to the West, and it knows this. It has the gas it can turn down, and is, but that's it and even that is a short-term thing. Classic example of painting oneself into a corner...
Hasn't stopped the BBC from doing a live up to date report on the war up until now, the West & it's people have staked an awful lot on supplying Ukraine with weapons to defeat Putin, you might wonder what the reaction will be if it turns out to all be in vain & the truth of how this started ever comes out.
Or Putin keeping his troops/ police / border guards busy abroad , better than turning against him at home
ollie989898
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One useful outcome of this war is that NATO will reinvigorated, with more members and all of them taking their defence spending seriously for a change. Putin will face a much much stronger and more capable NATO so he has scored a spectacular own goal.
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Yep, and once Turkey has
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Good members.
Turkey is a very powerful country especially with that location. But they don't act like the West does.