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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Arsey to begin with but when I said I’m not borrowing to pay for it so you’d better not deliver it he soon changed his tune. At the end of the day I put suppliers delivering fertiliser this coming year are taking massive risks. I know historically a farmers word is generally good, we are now in uncharted territory. How many farmers are going to default on payment over the next 18 months? I wouldn’t want to be an input supplier in todays market.

Credit will be more risky this time around for sure.

Big sums and lack of cash flow on many farms.
 
Arsey to begin with but when I said I’m not borrowing to pay for it so you’d better not deliver it he soon changed his tune. At the end of the day I put suppliers delivering fertiliser this coming year are taking massive risks. I know historically a farmers word is generally good, we are now in uncharted territory. How many farmers are going to default on payment over the next 18 months? I wouldn’t want to be an input supplier in todays market.
Good on you for being straight up with the rep. At the end of the day they weren't backward when it came to rising the price
 

Planet Bee

Member
Trade
Arsey to begin with but when I said I’m not borrowing to pay for it so you’d better not deliver it he soon changed his tune. At the end of the day I put suppliers delivering fertiliser this coming year are taking massive risks. I know historically a farmers word is generally good, we are now in uncharted territory. How many farmers are going to default on payment over the next 18 months? I wouldn’t want to be an input supplier in todays market.
I suppose you'd feel the same if your output buyer decided to cancel your sales contract then?

Very poor behaviour, in my opinion, when a contract is not honoured. Who do you think you are? Alexander Boris dePfeffell Johnson?
 
I suppose you'd feel the same if your output buyer decided to cancel your sales contract then?

Very poor behaviour, in my opinion, when a contract is not honoured. Who do you think you are? Alexander Boris dePfeffell Johnson?
I’d rather a sales contract being cancelled in good time , allowing me to sell elsewhere than to go through and then find out they were unable to pay.
Also it doesn’t sound like he’s going back on a deal only to buy elsewhere, it sounds like a change in circumstances meaning the product would be unneeded.
 

Badshot

Member
Location
Kent
maybe so, but that's almost the point I made; he shouldn't have to. The trader made the decision to sell and the buyer to buy. Imagine the scene if this relationship was broken? Trust is an important element in what we do.
To be honest that relationship gets tested far too often by the grain merchants that buy for a set month, and roll it, sometimes for several more months, for a pitiful £1a month hold. Regardless of if the price goes up in that time.

I long for the days of trust deals to return, order X amount of n, guaranteed to be a good price for the season.
Trust appears to have gone....
 

Adeptandy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
PE15
To be honest that relationship gets tested far too often by the grain merchants that buy for a set month, and roll it, sometimes for several more months, for a pitiful £1a month hold. Regardless of if the price goes up in that time.

I long for the days of trust deals to return, order X amount of n, guaranteed to be a good price for the season.
Trust appears to have gone....
I’m finding trust seems to be one sided with a lot of merchants the last couple of years 😢
 

Bramble

Member
maybe so, but that's almost the point I made; he shouldn't have to. The trader made the decision to sell and the buyer to buy. Imagine the scene if this relationship was broken? Trust is an important element in what we do.
Would you prefer to repossess the goods after delivery when the invoice remains unpaid?

You see ‘Goods remain the property of the seller until paid for in full’ all over invoices.

At what point to farmers call ‘Force Majeure’ on a contract. ’Demand (and price) has dropped for my wheat so I won’t be growing any now and no longer need your fertiliser’. That was basically the argument our milk buyer made at the beginning of covid when we were told to chuck our milk away without being paid for it, despite our contract saying that all milk should be collected and paid for in full. Trust works both ways, and sadly there is less of it around nowadays

Not a great situation to be in though but likely to see more of it this year
 
Location
West Wales
I suppose you'd feel the same if your output buyer decided to cancel your sales contract then?

Very poor behaviour, in my opinion, when a contract is not honoured. Who do you think you are? Alexander Boris dePfeffell Johnson?
Afraid I have to disagree, if he were cancelling the order as to buy somewhere else cheaper he’d be in the wrong.
I placed an order for some milk powder the other day based on the facts infront of me and my opinion that it would rise. Another supplier is now running a deal which would’ve saved me £400, If I were to cancel original deal to chase the cheaper one this is a breach of trust. If I went down with TB and they took all my cattle and I know longer needed the powder that’s a different situation.

sadly this will happen more and more this year in my opinion. The money simply isn’t there to stand on and take it into stock anyway. Far better to be honest about that now than when he isn’t able to pay later.
 
Cancelled our fertiliser as I’m not buying it at current prices in a falling wheat market which could go into free fall any minute. Done a little trial here and we know we can grow 2t per acre without any fert due to good soil nutrient levels. Think we’ll just drill it direct in October and do normal herbicide applications then use spray on nutrition and leave it at that.
Got a consultant friend who owes me a favour doing an stewardship application and we’re going to put 50% into varying options and then only grow a first wheat on the other 50% without any fert as above.
Really, really poor. Can only hope they stop trading with you.
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
maybe so, but that's almost the point I made; he shouldn't have to. The trader made the decision to sell and the buyer to buy. Imagine the scene if this relationship was broken? Trust is an important element in what we do.
Mmm bought an extra half load of protected urea in the spring ,
had a phone call off the agent the day before delivery saying there had been a mis pricing and it was going to be £40t more ,did i still want it.
 

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