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Planet Bee · Jul 7, 2022

Headless chicken said:
Afraid I have to disagree, if he were cancelling the order as to buy somewhere else cheaper he’d be in the wrong.
I placed an order for some milk powder the other day based on the facts infront of me and my opinion that it would rise. Another supplier is now running a deal which would’ve saved me £400, If I were to cancel original deal to chase the cheaper one this is a breach of trust. If I went down with TB and they took all my cattle and I know longer needed the powder that’s a different situation.

sadly this will happen more and more this year in my opinion. The money simply isn’t there to stand on and take it into stock anyway. Far better to be honest about that now than when he isn’t able to pay later.

I'm curious as to why the buyer agreed to the purchase in the first place. What changed in the meantime? Surely there was a point prior to agreeing the business where there was a demand for the goods; a decision was made.

Good on you for sticking to the deal you made. And I hope your herd stays TB free.

The honesty needs to be up front too. I'd imagine they'd have known what they could've afforded prior to concluding the business.

Eartha Kitt · Jul 7, 2022

lloyd said:
Mmm bought an extra half load of protected urea in the spring ,
had a phone call off the agent the day before delivery saying there had been a mis pricing and it was going to be £40t more ,did i still want it.

Also poor. They should have supplied at the agreed price IMO. Slightly different to all out cancelling though.

Planet Bee · Jul 7, 2022

lloyd said:
Mmm bought an extra half load of protected urea in the spring ,
had a phone call off the agent the day before delivery saying there had been a mis pricing and it was going to be £40t more ,did i still want it.

I'd advocate that this is the traders problem, not yours. They agreed to sell; you agreed to buy. End of.

Eartha Kitt · Jul 7, 2022

On a different note... the gas European gas price today

This will likely lead to further factory shutdowns.

lloyd · Jul 7, 2022

Planet Bee said:
I'd advocate that this is the traders problem, not yours. They agreed to sell; you agreed to buy. End of.

Well it came from a large national firm and it was
a case of take it or leave it which at the time left me
with no option.
Out of principle I would never buy fert from them again .

Planet Bee · Jul 7, 2022

lloyd said:
Well it came from a large national firm and it was
a case of take it or leave it which at the time left me
with no option.
Out of principle I would never buy fert from them again .

goodonya! did they begin with an F and end in ....ier?

plenty of choices out their other than the nationals

#shoplocal

Chuckie · Jul 7, 2022

Eartha Kitt said:
Really, really poor. Can only hope they stop trading with you.

But the merchant can sell it to someone else? At a higher price? Because fert only ever gets dearer?? And demand outstrips supply??? And none will be available by spring?????

teslacoils · Jul 7, 2022

Fert sellers - price of key input (gas) has risen therefore its not profitable for me to make the good you have bought = force majeure and you dont get any fert.
Grain growers - price of key input (fert) has risen therefore its not profitable for me to make the grain youve bought = not force majeure?

In any case, we dont know the price of the bought fert vs the current price. So why debate the ethics? If there was a huge price swing, then I expect the merchant would have possibly reacted differently, or maybe they have done it for goodwill after evaluating the potential for future business?

Planet Bee said:
I'd advocate that this is the traders problem, not yours. They agreed to sell; you agreed to buy. End of.

In light of potential production / gas issues, would you suggest that farmers ordering a specific fert product insert a substitution clause in their purchase order whereby if product X becomes unavailable then the trader is to substitute with an agreed equivalent at their cost? Because its quite easy for someone elses problem to become our problem if that fert booked to be on farm before 1st Feb is due to come from a factory which perhaps is obliged to cut production etc.

Planet Bee · Jul 7, 2022

Eartha Kitt said:
On a different note... the gas European gas price today This will likely lead to further factory shutdowns.

TTF at €180 for August - Yara and Borealis raised AN prices already in France yesterday

Germans are approaching DEFCON 10 on their gas supply

Good job that there's plenty of Granular Urea flowing freely into the UK ports right now.

lloyd · Jul 7, 2022

Planet Bee said:
goodonya! did they begin with an F and end in ....ier?

plenty of choices out their other than the nationals

#shoplocal

It was through a smaller independent who i believe had it
through the agronomy firm that starts with an A and rhymes with bee.

Eartha Kitt · Jul 7, 2022

lloyd said:
It was through a smaller independent who i believe had it
through the agronomy firm that starts with an A and rhymes with bee.

I thought that might be the Origin of the problem.

Eartha Kitt · Jul 7, 2022

Chuckie said:
But the merchant can sell it to someone else? At a higher price? Because fert only ever gets dearer?? And demand outstrips supply??? And none will be available by spring?????

Planet Bee · Jul 7, 2022

teslacoils said:
Fert sellers - price of key input (gas) has risen therefore its not profitable for me to make the good you have bought = force majeure and you dont get any fert.
Grain growers - price of key input (fert) has risen therefore its not profitable for me to make the grain youve bought = not force majeure?

In any case, we dont know the price of the bought fert vs the current price. So why debate the ethics? If there was a huge price swing, then I expect the merchant would have possibly reacted differently, or maybe they have done it for goodwill after evaluating the potential for future business?

In light of potential production / gas issues, would you suggest that farmers ordering a specific fert product insert a substitution clause in their purchase order whereby if product X becomes unavailable then the trader is to substitute with an agreed equivalent at their cost? Because its quite easy for someone elses problem to become our problem if that fert booked to be on farm before 1st Feb is due to come from a factory which perhaps is obliged to cut production etc.

that's not how FM works

if you bought "open origin" (not factory / producer specific) then your supplier can't issue an FM notice

caveat emptor

daveydiesel1 · Jul 7, 2022

What the latest on can prices now

lloyd · Jul 7, 2022

Eartha Kitt said:
I thought that might be the Origin of the problem.

It's ok I now have zero verbal agreement policy
and everything has to be dealt with email trace .
In the event of that happening again I would put
it through the courts.....just out of principle.

teslacoils · Jul 7, 2022

Planet Bee said:
that's not how FM works

if you bought "open origin" (not factory / producer specific) then your supplier can't issue an FM notice

caveat emptor

Its that nugget of information that is important though isnt it? How many buyers know if they have bought "open origin" when they pick up the phone? Similar to saying Hoover when we mean vacuum cleaner, we may say "single top" when really almost any N/S product of a similar grade would do the job. Urea is maybe a bit different, but are we hamstringing ourselves by asking for say "good quality egypitian granular urea". Because id certainly rate having no fertiliser as worse than dear fertiliser. I dont expect many farmers go through the T&Cs with diligence.

colhonk · Jul 7, 2022

Fert prices up again
spray prices up
grass sprays not working
seed prices up
wheat prices down
seriously thinking of only sowing wheat after the osr and fallowing the rest.

snipe · Jul 7, 2022

Having a chat with rep today. Lithan £750 thinks it will be £800 by weekend. And talk of some factory’s closing due to gas price.

bobk · Jul 7, 2022

Just delivered my 46% that I don't need , and really don't wish to pay for

Lincsman · Jul 7, 2022

Beef farmer said:
How the rep take the call about cancelling fert?

I cancelled a lorry load 2 years ago, (when autumn drilling got abandoned) they were not happy as price had dropped, i did offer to take it and pay when i used it the following year... it didnt turn up.

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