- Location
- Mönsterås, Sweden
What is most versitil on stony soils, if you only have one. And whitch one is most forgiving (beginer on dd).
Tine or disk drill
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- Romsey, Hampshire
tine.
Hartwig
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- Scheggerott, Germany
Where in Sweden are you farming ?? Do you have contact to the swedish DDers ?? They can certainly give you better knowledge on DDing under the local circumstances than we can. Principles are universal, solutions are local !
- Location
- Mönsterås, Sweden
I farm on the south east coast, on the main land inside of the island oland. It is not any dders around here that I am aware of. I am trying to learne the principles of dding. We usually have dry weather especially in the spring. @Clive I think you forgot a word?
- Location
- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Linder
I have some contacts with ECAF from Finland where DD seems to be really popular due to the climate and spring cropping (a bit like parts of Canada)...I will look them out and PM you with their contact details...There some very interesting ECAF members in Denmark but conditions there might not be the same as in your part of Sweden...
Kaad
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- Tandsgårdvej 7, Denmark
Hej Linder
Forsøg at tage kontakt til FRDK (forening for reduceret jordbrug Danmark) de har også svenske medlemmer.
Try to contact FRDK they have Swedish members too.
Forsøg at tage kontakt til FRDK (forening for reduceret jordbrug Danmark) de har også svenske medlemmer.
Try to contact FRDK they have Swedish members too.
just get over to EE and you will find the "travelling brothers" and see some thrilling No Till.
Actually we had in our largest farming magazine, 110000 subscribers, a very positive report on the CS. Topic was: is No Till a option on for high yielding areas.
back to your original question: Which drill on stony soils". My reply is: a disc drill as she rather pushes the stones in than pulls them out. And believe me, I have picked up enough stones in my life in a tillage based system.
York-Th.
Actually we had in our largest farming magazine, 110000 subscribers, a very positive report on the CS. Topic was: is No Till a option on for high yielding areas.
back to your original question: Which drill on stony soils". My reply is: a disc drill as she rather pushes the stones in than pulls them out. And believe me, I have picked up enough stones in my life in a tillage based system.
York-Th.
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- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
York....
Our disc drill (Kuhn SD4000) lifts over the stones and broadcasts the seed on the soil surface...where it does not grow...for that reason I am looking at either a Mzuri (1) Aithchison (2) Claydon (3)..... I would just love to be able to try them alongside each-other on the same day...I think my disc drill days are over..great in a dry year but I suspect we are going to get two wet years out of three... so we have to adapt and change our drill to suit what nature is going to throw at us.
benferg
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- North Canterbury, NZ
Was drilling in the stones with the JD this autumn, was just getting enough depth with oats, think the CS would have pee bowled it with the greater weight.
Think it depends on the type of stone, size, etc how my JD will do it or not. Was told that the KRM wasn't as good at penetration as the JD either, so wondering how good the Kuhn is?
Think it depends on the type of stone, size, etc how my JD will do it or not. Was told that the KRM wasn't as good at penetration as the JD either, so wondering how good the Kuhn is?
Hartwig
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- Scheggerott, Germany
On a disc drill it certainly depends on coulter pressure and strength of the drill at all, I never had trouble or worries with my Moore - not sure if the Kuhn is that good, Jim ??
Surely it runs over a stone here and there, misses the seed for 10cm, so what ?? Saves picking up stones which means 0.7 hrs. labour/ha hand picking plus 0.25 hrs. tractor/ha in average on my farm. No need for that after DDing with the Moore but we`re back there with the GEN-openers now.
Certainly much easier compared to full cultivation, and should become less and less within years, but still a point.
btw: I totally agree with Clives statement.
Surely it runs over a stone here and there, misses the seed for 10cm, so what ?? Saves picking up stones which means 0.7 hrs. labour/ha hand picking plus 0.25 hrs. tractor/ha in average on my farm. No need for that after DDing with the Moore but we`re back there with the GEN-openers now.
Certainly much easier compared to full cultivation, and should become less and less within years, but still a point.
btw: I totally agree with Clives statement.
benferg
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- North Canterbury, NZ
If too much seed is on the ground or not at the right depth where I drill you'd get nothing. & any advantage is wasted.
Jim,
in all respect I would not get rid of the Kuhn. You might end up with some more "wondering" in a couple of years.
Also I want to point to
page 80 "A Method for ranking No-Tillage seed drills
Book title: "Successful No-tillage in Crop and Pasture Establishment"
ISBN 0-473-06685-8
Take care & a blessed weekend.
York-Th.
p.s. I'm of to visit the flooded area.
JNG
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- Leinster, Ireland
don't know if this works:
http://www.topagrar.com/archiv/Dire...ortierung=2&action=suche&s_text=%22Direktsaat
you can buy the article online.
I have done pictures, but they are of poor quality. Tomorrow I might get a good scan. but this is not for putting onto the internet.
York-Th.
JNG
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- Location
- Leinster, Ireland
Thanks for that, but I stupidly never clicked that the article would be in German so not a whole lot of good to me, thanks anyway. Maybe if you had time sometime you could write a very short and concise summery, a couple of bullet points.
Were you at the flodded area today as you mentioned, do you have many farming friends badly affected?
I have a couple of clients & my main "trial" farm, farm of a friend, affected. Was there yesterday but due to not being able to downsize the size no pictures jes.
Governments advice is: get a big plough and turn it all over.
Ok, friend has one ploughed field which I wasn't able to walk at without wellies, as you will sink in. the No Till fields I could walk with my sneekers. And surprisingly you weren't able to "squeeze" water out of the soil when we dug it up. At the ploughed field it was just like wet plaster.
York-Th.
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- Romsey, Hampshire
Thanks Elmsted for the link, very interesting!