Steevo
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Rotam "Buy Direct From The Manufacturer"
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shakerator
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What we need is these companies to sell us straight actives. I hate formulations. They reduce flexibility and increase cost
welcome new member @Rotam Chris 
maybe you can explain more about plans for direct supply in the UK please
maybe you can explain more about plans for direct supply in the UK please
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- S.E
So is everyone telling me they will ring rotam separately to others ask them for a price (no rebate presumably). Also what products does rotam have?! It just all seems like a lot more hassle for the farmer especially if this is what more and more companies will be doing going forward.
If you actually think about it we are going backwards because this is how things were brought back in the day. Then buying groups popped up and said IF we buy 10,000litres then can we get it cheaper and pass this saving onto customers!! I fail to see how me buying 10litres will be cheaper for me or rotam than a (farmer owned not for profit) buying group buying 10,000litres....
If you actually think about it we are going backwards because this is how things were brought back in the day. Then buying groups popped up and said IF we buy 10,000litres then can we get it cheaper and pass this saving onto customers!! I fail to see how me buying 10litres will be cheaper for me or rotam than a (farmer owned not for profit) buying group buying 10,000litres....
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Agreed. I'm sticking with my buying group and hoping they will deal direct with all of the manufacturer in due course. Strength in numbers and all that....
have you seen their SU price ? I think UK their range may be limited to begin (just logistics limiting it) but if you look at how much variety and product they produce that could soon change
buying groups deal with distributors not manufacturers as far as im aware ? Buying group prices I've seen are rarely as good as I can get myself with a few phone calls, all they save is eaten up by another layer of admin and middlemen
SilliamWhale
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We need an online pesticide supermarket. Prices up front on the web and then the courier sends them out. I will support Rotam if I can because I think the principle is a good one.
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It wont work. There will ALWAYS be discounts for preferred customers.
Are you telling me that when you log into this online supermarket you are going to take the price you are given?! Who wins then!!
Are you telling me that when you log into this online supermarket you are going to take the price you are given?! Who wins then!!
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
This is why I think buying groups will do better. The "online supermarket" will have different discount structures for different customers. End users won't get the same discount as buying groups. If your buying group is too admin heavy then change....there are slimline versions available. It's a case of sticking to what they do best though, rather than trying to be everything to everyone and doing phones, fuel etc. etc. where often they won't save you anything but it just adds admin cost.
about time that changed isn't it ? the current model of different prices for different customers is screwed IMO (as it should be) - what Rotam are doing (and i'm sure others will in time) will change that, the distribution trade as things stand are in big trouble here IMO
I think openly transparent discounts for bulk are fine and encourage larger orders, nothing wrong with that and no reason a direct seller can't do that as online sellers of none ag product already do
what could be better than going online etc, filling a shopping basket full of chems you need, check out and wait for van to come ? of course if you buy more you should see some extra discount maybe as scale helps with cost like admin and delivery, as long as thats open then where is the issue ?
Not only do i think this WILL work I think it's the long overdue beginning of a change in the way that ultimately ALL ag inputs and outputs are traded.
This job needs less leaching middlemen, not more, maybe we can all improve margins with some fat trimmed ?
SilliamWhale
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If there are six or seven online pesticide supermarkets we can shop about then. But I agree it may not work - but it should!
Will there be a lot of different prices for different customers? How long until six or seven of us post prices for the same product bought from them direct and see how different they are? Then thats their direct sales strategy stuffed isnt it when we all find out we are getting charged different rates? The only real discounts would be say for taking a whole outer / pallet etc.
It takes exactly 10 minutes to compare a DuPont SU price bought by another member in the "chem prices" thread with the equivalent Rotam SU to see if there is a saving to be made. Trying to price the same product for different customers beyond a volume / delivery cost difference will (should) not be possible.
It takes exactly 10 minutes to compare a DuPont SU price bought by another member in the "chem prices" thread with the equivalent Rotam SU to see if there is a saving to be made. Trying to price the same product for different customers beyond a volume / delivery cost difference will (should) not be possible.
JonL
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- East Yorks
I can see the benefits of moving to direct ordering, preferably online, but please this isn't Rotam doing it out of the goodness of their hearts and I really can't see it improving transparency a great deal. I note they produce 3 different brands of 250g/lit tebuconazole, I wonder why that is. Not to charge different prices to different customers surely. (NB I've used all 3 and they're good products)
david
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- County Down
Rotam still supply products into distributers as JonL notes with their 3 different brandings of 250g Teb, I'm sure they are very welcome now when they turn up at Hutchinsons, Frontier, Agrii et al looking to flog them some of their products.
I bet distributors first response is '....and why don't you sell that direct to customers to ?'
Jon
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- South Norfolk
I've contacted them introduced myself, asking to set up an account, haven't heard a thing, this was a week or two ago.
I use their Starpro teb product.
Had a bit of a look on the website - not sure why they just dont have an online "cart" with prices and quantity, and somewhere to put business debit card details in really.
Looking at what they have, it seems they have products that look (to me: I am not an agronomist) like a verson of Ally sx, Harmony M, and Ally Max. And one which is a thifensulfuron / tribenuron mix which I dont recognise.
Perhaps somone who is bored will ring them up; get pack prices; and post them on here for us all to see. Or perhaps anyone from Rotam who is registered on this site might do it to save us the bother?
Had a bit of a look on the website - not sure why they just dont have an online "cart" with prices and quantity, and somewhere to put business debit card details in really.
Looking at what they have, it seems they have products that look (to me: I am not an agronomist) like a verson of Ally sx, Harmony M, and Ally Max. And one which is a thifensulfuron / tribenuron mix which I dont recognise.
Perhaps somone who is bored will ring them up; get pack prices; and post them on here for us all to see. Or perhaps anyone from Rotam who is registered on this site might do it to save us the bother?
I have a feeling the answer would probably be "ok then !"
Grain Buyer
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guys does it not boil down to - if it's cheaper you will deal, if it's not cheaper you won't? Until you see how it can work for you why be damning?
Rotam Chris
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We are recognized as a quality global agrochemical manufacturer.
Business was set up in the UK in 2010.
Spring 2014 we implemented a direct supply system for our SU cereal herbicides , of which we now have 4 formulations.
The majority of the orders are typically processed via buying groups or machinery rings in Northumberland and Scotland
You can contact our logistics partner for prices
[email protected]
01924 268560
Business was set up in the UK in 2010.
Spring 2014 we implemented a direct supply system for our SU cereal herbicides , of which we now have 4 formulations.
The majority of the orders are typically processed via buying groups or machinery rings in Northumberland and Scotland
You can contact our logistics partner for prices
[email protected]
01924 268560
Rotam Chris
New Member
Hello Jon
The contact details to set up an account are
You can contact our logistics partner for prices
[email protected]
01924 268560