Is Steinbauer safe?

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
had one on an old deutz 180.7. worked really well for a couple of seasons of heavy draft work, but then I started noticing some funny noises when changing powershifts pulling a subsoiler. after that I turned the chip off and swapped the tractor at the end of the season. I think it didn't help the 180.7 was the biggest model in the range at that time using that backend, if I was going to chip another tractor I would do it on a model low-mid in the range.

Good point. I wouldn't chip the MF7618 or 7718 [current model] much, because they are the highest power tractors with that transaxle already.
MF6612 should be fine with a bit of a rise in power and torque but do check which model and power of tractor is the first with the heavier duty axles and don't exceed their power output.

Personally, if long term reliability was top priority, I would buy the horsepower needed and if it was a mid-power tractor for that chassis, I would have the flexibility to chip/map it a bit in future should unforeseen circumstances call for more power.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
A reputable remap (and there are lots that proclaim thus) is by far and above the way to go.

I would not entertain any tuning box which either increases rail pressure, or add a % to injection duration or both. We are already running with woefully retarded injection to improve emissions, and anything that retards it still further is worse .Ask some of the CNH T7 boys with melted exhausts & turbo's. A tuning box can only do the above and it relies on the factory ECU settings, which are already hugely sub-optimal.
Addblue engines should be running fairly optimally and therefore hotter. Those running retarded engines with EGR should actually be running cooler and therefore less efficiently.
 

Dimplex

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Good point. I wouldn't chip the MF7618 or 7718 [current model] much, because they are the highest power tractors with that transaxle already.
MF6612 should be fine with a bit of a rise in power and torque but do check which model and power of tractor is the first with the heavier duty axles and don't exceed their power output.

Personally, if long term reliability was top priority, I would buy the horsepower needed and if it was a mid-power tractor for that chassis, I would have the flexibility to chip/map it a bit in future should unforeseen circumstances call for more power.

As far I can see and I heard whole 661* series is mostly very similar with minor differences in height (like 3 cm or something like that) and 300kg difference in some models.
The sames goes for 761* series.

Well, there is a big difference in price between that 6612 that is on stock and all others tractors from 661* (that would have to be ordered and that would result in about 5-10% price difference for the exactly same tractor (only difference being that the demo tractor has 100 hour on the clock).
The same goes for 7614, but there is now 771* series which isn't a big upgrade but costs a few thousand pounds more...
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
300kgs is a lot of difference if they are identical. Some of that may be different wheels and tyres but I'm willing to bet that there is a lot more metal in a 6616 compared to a 6612. It is up to you to find out properly though. I would look at both back and front axles for a clue. Even with the same axle castings there could be differences internally. For instance, my 5455 back axle looks exactly the same as a 5465's but I know that the 5465 has heavier duty final drives with different ratios that may also mean that the gearbox turns faster and is therefore subject to no more torque than my 5445. Moving up from the 5465 to a 5475 and the back axle is altogether of heavier design. Moving up again from a 5475/6475 to a 6480 and the front axle is a heavier design.

Things are not as simple as they first appear.
 

Dimplex

New Member
I'm really not sure, at first I thought that is because of the gearbox, because 6614 Dyna 6 and Dyna VT are heavier than 6614 Dyna 4.

Take a look at the photo and please let me know what you think :)
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Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The only way to tell is by looking at the actual tractor models and, better, by reference to the sales manual which should be provided to the salesmen. Be aware that many salesmen do not take any note of these details because they aren't really that interested in the product specification.
 

Dimplex

New Member
Good thing that MF in my region has one of the best if not the best salesman in Croatia.
I'll ask him tomorrow but I think that you're right about the weight thing. Dyna 6 and Dyna VT units does weights more than Dyna 4 unit but 300kg is too big a difference so there must be some rather big difference in axles.

Thank you :D
 

BigBarl

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Arable Farmer
Location
South Notts
The mind boggles... Care to name and shame dealer?

A dealer put a chip on one of my tier 3 deutz's from new and would stand by the warranty. Whether deutz would if they found out is a different matter. It was either chip the tractor or the dealer had the tractor back as it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Good service in my opinion.
 

SMID

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Sorn Ayrshire
The only way to tell is by looking at the actual tractor models and, better, by reference to the sales manual which should be provided to the salesmen. Be aware that many salesmen do not take any note of these details because they aren't really that interested in the product specification.
There is quite a few differences in the 66s final drive on a 15 and a 16 are lower geared and heavy duty brace bracket from the hitch frame to the gear box, 10 stud front axle as opposed to 8 on the smaller ones one cat , two on the bigger ones the difference in the gearing is big enough for me to be able to overtake 6616s[ on simillar tyre sizes ] with my 6613 that just the differences that spring to mind .r
 

Blue.

Member
Livestock Farmer
I always found the parts book/website the best place to find what models share the same components,when comparing mf and fendts last year I knew more than the reps and Agco man..:rolleyes:
 
A reputable remap (and there are lots that proclaim thus) is by far and above the way to go.

I would not entertain any tuning box which either increases rail pressure, or add a % to injection duration or both. We are already running with woefully retarded injection to improve emissions, and anything that retards it still further is worse .Ask some of the CNH T7 boys with melted exhausts & turbo's. A tuning box can only do the above and it relies on the factory ECU settings, which are already hugely sub-optimal.
Exactly. A piggy back box may work on T2 or T3 engines but you're a brave soul if you stick one on a T4.

Get it properly remapped and dynoed by someone reputable.
 

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