Anyone for a Brexit ?
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IRC Dave/the Tories got 11.3 million votes, how they were spread out got them the seats. In a nutshell that means roughly 53 million didn`t vote for him. Even proportionality doesn`t come into it as UKIP got 3.9 million votes for 1 MP.
So, back of a fag packet maths........ guessing that the turn out will be about 60% around 38/40 million votes.
Voted last time: UKIP (4mill) or Tory (7mill of the 11 million votes) and want out..... 12 million
Voted last time: Labour (out of 9 million odd ) and want out (some do).......2 million
Total 14 million.
Voted last time: Tory & want in....... 6 million
Voted last time: Labour and want in ....... 7 million.
Total 13 million.
Hence it is very interesting, even just looking at "main parties".
Douglasmn
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Ok...another way of wording it then; why has public opinion of DC gone so downhill lately? He's the same smarmy bellend he's always been. Used to be he seemed reasonably well liked though. Now not so though. Back when he was joining in with all the fun of taking down Libya and assassinating Gaddafi no one seemed to bat an eyelid, but now it's like he's public enemy no. 1.
RobFZS
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i'll have to correct you, there's about 46 million people eligible to vote with 66% voting in the last election, if we get over 50% turnout in the referendum i will be surprised
But your initial analysis is correct, that there seems to be more chance of leave voters across all parties, than remain
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More people may vote this time as in or out and no political party (alledgeally ) colours !
I didnt vote for DC, but he seemed a reasonable guy. Its his handling of this referendum that has shown him up in a bad light. sayings its doomsday if we leave, but keen to stay in if we do. how the hell could he expect to stay in if there is a brexit?
That may be the real problem behind all of this. none of the major parties are for leaving. If the vote goes to remain, I expect an anti Eu party to emerge and grow very quickly. Could be Ukip.
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The'll swim to the top -some one or group ?
Their all like cameolnes or sqids that change and blend into their surroundings .
Look how many times " Mandy Mandleson " as come and gone ???
Their all like cameolnes or sqids that change and blend into their surroundings .
Look how many times " Mandy Mandleson " as come and gone ???
its yourself
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UK forces are under Nato command in the Nato area.
The USA in effect.
If you want UK forces under UK command you must leave Nato.
The USA in effect.
If you want UK forces under UK command you must leave Nato.
Usual bull coming from it's yourself.
The EU having direct autonomous control of our forces is totally different to NATO which requires us to provide military aid if another member is attacked. We assign our forces to a task force, controlled by British command but working with a NATO commander. If a NATO operation was ordered to go against a British target, the British command would pull our troops from NATO control. An EU army would have no such safety or UK governance. I have no idea where you get your wildly inaccurate ideas from, but they certainly do not reflect reality!
Old McDonald
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It would appear, purely from BBC news, that the downturn in public opinion of the man is self-inflicted, partly due to his claim that he had obtained a magnificent victory for reform of the EU, and partly because of his use of all and sundry to help him out with his scaremongering - the all and sundry being establishment figures on enormous salaries whose sole purpose in life is to waffle about on the world stage making pronouncements (often incorrectly) in favour of others on the same roundabout.
I am not saying I am correct but this is how I interpret this! Nato is theoretically a purely defensive militarily force that will come to assist the defense of a member state if attacked by an aggressor state and these forces would most likely be under overall command by the USA as they will be the largest contributor of forces. If the EU wants to have a serious military force then it is only for two reasons, number 1 force projection on the world stage which could mean aggressive force if need be, or reason number 2, to suppress serious opposition to the EU by military means. The EU is going to its proposals on a EU armed force after the referendum and in what shape and form it will be.
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Good question and it's not actually off topic.
Here is a Conspiracy theory about a Conspiracy theory:
But firstly, here are several reasons why there "seems to be so much dislike for Cameron among the English electorate these days".
1. DC and the Tories offered the referendum, which stole the UKIP voters from the 2014 EU Elections - me included.
2. This suggested to many that apart from the fact that he knew he would bulk up the Tory vote by doing so, but also that:
DC must have been thinking that there was something wrong with the EU himself, to need to want a referendum in the first place -
Maybe, maybe not (see later).
3. Though the Coalition Government worked remarkably well for 5 years, Labour were doing quite well in the polls and there was a strong chance that they could have ousted the Tories by going into Coalition with the Lib Dems in 2015. It was only because DC offered that referendum that the Tories ended up with a majority government. But remember, it's not a big majority.
So, the reasons why DC has become so disliked are:
1. The most OTT ridiculous scare stories as to why we should Remain in the EU. Even the Remain voters recognise this.
2. The fact that he wants Osborne to take over as PM after he's gone. Osborne hasn't achieved any of his Targets as Chancellor.
3. There seemed to be a time when even DC himself wanted us to Brexit. He is now seen by the Out voters as a Turncoat.
4. Most Importantly, having told us that we could thrive by being Outside of the EU, then changed his mind and come up with all these scare stories, many won't ever again trust a single word he says. Quite frankly, if Remain wins, he has done so much damage that even the remain voters within his party, will never fully trust him again.
So he has certainly demonstrated that he has in fact "changed his tune". Not only in his weakness to achieve his UK goals in reforming the EU and then to still want us to Remain, but also in the appalling manor in which he tries to convince us to do so.
Conclusion.
IMO he has never actually wanted us to leave the EU. He knew he was going to give up being PM and probably thought he would get a nice job as an EU Commissioner once he'd gone.
Before doing so, he wanted to be PM of a majority Tory government and knock Labour off it's perch.
To do this he offered the referendum in the Tory manifesto and at the same time started a period of bad mouthing the EU.
What he actually did was gamble that the EU would concede to his demands, so that he could not only recommend us to Remain, but appear to be a "jolly clever fellow" in having got what he wanted.
He didn't!
That to me, means he is a failure. But his ultimate failure was/is to think that he he was going to retire form being PM on a good note, having successfully got what he wanted from the EU (Remember all those meeting he had with all the European Heads of State in January?). What he didn't bargain on was EU intransigence!
So having conspired to go out with a bang, he will go out in disgrace and as a fool. AND maybe by default, proved to us after all, that the EU is something we shouldn't remain part of.
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its yourself
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I can tell you exactly where my info on Nato is.
Here http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/structure.htm
And here are RAF aircraft under Nato command protecting Estonia.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/...estonia-for-nato-baltic-air-policing-13052015
No "task forces" no fiddle faddle about asking nicely the UK govt if its a sunny Friday and you feel like protecting Estonia etc.
Do you have a link for that or is this just Chinese whispers?
Most leaders' popularity wanes mid term. It's easiest to moan at the incumbent ruler. When it comes time to elect again the voters will have to genuinely decide who best represents their interests so opinion changes. If I could be arsed I'd find a BBC link that shows how the government popularity dorps away post election but comes back pre next election but instead I'm going crop walking 'cos it's a Friday & the pub beckons afterwards
its yourself
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This will be the same leave rumour mill that says 90% of leave votes will be secretly shredded?
What? No dirty tricks up the Tory sleeve? Nice of Kent police to delay investigating the corruption in Thanet until after the referendum.
Kent police are believed to be the 11th force investigating claims that the party has misallocated spending during the 2015 general election campaign.
And that's before we even get onto the propaganda leaflet paid for out of taxpayer's money.
All of which will probably be investigated by Eric Pickles the anti-corruption tzar, yes the same Eric Pickles that had to hand back money in the expenses scandal.
Tower Hamlets anyone?
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It would appear that the threat from the back bench Tories to seek a vote to get rid of Cameron as soon as practicable has had an effect on him because he seems to have come to his senses, sort of.
From The Mail.
But the premier did say he would step back from making personal attacks against Tory opponents during the rest of the campaign.
He also reiterated that he believes 'Britain could thrive' outside the EU.
'I withdraw absolutely nothing I've previously said. Britain is an amazing country. We can find our way whatever the British people choose,' he said.
'But the question for us is not are we a great country, have we got a brilliant economy, have we got talented businesses, have we got great entrepreneurs, have we got amazing universities, brilliant scientists? Can we go on as we have in the past, breaking new boundaries in all these areas? The question is how do we do best?'
Mr Cameron insisted the 'Special Relationship' with the US would survive despite a spat with Donald Trump.
The PM heavily criticised Mr Trump, now poised to become the Republican candidate in November's presidential election, after he suggested Muslims should be barred from entering America.
Mr Trump has since said he has been invited to Downing Street, but aides have indicated he will want an apology.
At the press conference today, Mr Cameron said he would be happy to work with whoever is leading the US.
'I believe in the special relationship,' he said.
Asked if he would now congratulate Mr Trump on securing the Republican nomination, the PM said he 'would congratulate anybody who could get through those marathon processes'.
What an absolutely two faced git.
From The Mail.
But the premier did say he would step back from making personal attacks against Tory opponents during the rest of the campaign.
He also reiterated that he believes 'Britain could thrive' outside the EU.
'I withdraw absolutely nothing I've previously said. Britain is an amazing country. We can find our way whatever the British people choose,' he said.
'But the question for us is not are we a great country, have we got a brilliant economy, have we got talented businesses, have we got great entrepreneurs, have we got amazing universities, brilliant scientists? Can we go on as we have in the past, breaking new boundaries in all these areas? The question is how do we do best?'
Mr Cameron insisted the 'Special Relationship' with the US would survive despite a spat with Donald Trump.
The PM heavily criticised Mr Trump, now poised to become the Republican candidate in November's presidential election, after he suggested Muslims should be barred from entering America.
Mr Trump has since said he has been invited to Downing Street, but aides have indicated he will want an apology.
At the press conference today, Mr Cameron said he would be happy to work with whoever is leading the US.
'I believe in the special relationship,' he said.
Asked if he would now congratulate Mr Trump on securing the Republican nomination, the PM said he 'would congratulate anybody who could get through those marathon processes'.
What an absolutely two faced git.
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