Direct drilling into ryegrass/clover ley?

Badshot · Jun 28, 2016

I have some fields coming out if grass this autumn. They are really thick with clover, was a mix or italian and prg in there too.
Chalk will be applied as needed, I intend to go wheat as the rest of the block is due for wheat so want to keep it simple.
drill Mid September or later?

tr250 · Jun 28, 2016

Badshot said:
I have some fields coming out if grass this autumn. They are really thick with clover, was a mix or italian and prg in there too.
Chalk will be applied as needed, I intend to go wheat as the rest of the block is due for wheat so want to keep it simple.
drill Mid September or later?

I'm planning to do the same with a 2 year rhy grass ley never done direct drilling before bit of a leap of faith really. What drill you using?

Badshot · Jun 28, 2016

tr250 said:
I'm planning to do the same with a 2 year rhy grass ley never done direct drilling before bit of a leap of faith really. What drill you using?

Not sure yet, won't be mine. It'll depend on someone else drilling it for me.

tr250 · Jun 29, 2016

Badshot said:
Not sure yet, won't be mine. It'll depend on someone else drilling it for me.

So what's your plan? As said I have no idea on direct drilling But it would be such a shame to bring up all the blackgrass seed after 2 years of no seed return on top. So I'm planning to silage 3rd cut first week of sept or as soon as I can finnish harvest then let grass green up well to create a cover from the sun to stop baking the soil wait for a few days rain to soften it then drill then roundup off grass it the drill won't get it in ground in autumn I will graze it all winter and do it in spring. Drill will be mounted weaving gd so getting it in the ground will probably be the issue

Badshot · Jun 29, 2016

tr250 said:
So what's your plan? As said I have no idea on direct drilling But it would be such a shame to bring up all the blackgrass seed after 2 years of no seed return on top. So I'm planning to silage 3rd cut first week of sept or as soon as I can finnish harvest then let grass green up well to create a cover from the sun to stop baking the soil wait for a few days rain to soften it then drill then roundup off grass it the drill won't get it in ground in autumn I will graze it all winter and do it in spring. Drill will be mounted weaving gd so getting it in the ground will probably be the issue

Haven't really got one yet tbh.
Currently got sheep grazing it, will get the chalk done at the same time as the neighbouring fields. I'll roundup pre drill most likely.
The fields are nice and level at the mo, I don't really want to feck that up by ploughing it. No blackgrass to worry about so if I have to I'll plough it, but would rather not.
Probably mole it if I can.
Neighbour has a weaving big disc, will see if that's available, if not I'll have to think again.

pear · Jul 1, 2016

I've got a field too that's coming out of a 2yr ley. I'm planning on using simtech as that's what I've got, but having seen the GD in action yesterday I'd be happy to see that work.
Be interested to hear whether pre or post drilling roundup is best.

Will Blackburn · Jul 1, 2016

pear said:
I've got a field too that's coming out of a 2yr ley. I'm planning on using simtech as that's what I've got, but having seen the GD in action yesterday I'd be happy to see that work.
Be interested to hear whether pre or post drilling roundup is best.

Without Dursban you might look at a 6 week gap between roundup and drilling unless you have another frit fly control strategy?

tr250 · Jul 1, 2016

pear said:
I've got a field too that's coming out of a 2yr ley. I'm planning on using simtech as that's what I've got, but having seen the GD in action yesterday I'd be happy to see that work.
Be interested to hear whether pre or post drilling roundup is best.

Ours will be very hard in Autumn so penetration is my worry. Was the gd yesterday a mounted 4m if so I think it is our new drill

pear · Jul 1, 2016

tr250 said:
Ours will be very hard in Autumn so penetration is my worry. Was the gd yesterday a mounted 4m if so I think it is our new drill

Yep, 4m one. Looked a handy tool.

green giant · Jul 1, 2016

I'd have popped along if I was a little closer

SilliamWhale · Jul 1, 2016

I'd drill mid sept for that. I'd probably be tempted to spray off earlier rather than later

tr250 · Jul 1, 2016

SilliamWhale said:
I'd drill mid sept for that. I'd probably be tempted to spray off earlier rather than later

My worry it would be too hard mid sept

SilliamWhale · Jul 1, 2016

tr250 said:
My worry it would be too hard mid sept

Weight up the drill. But I take your point - who knows?

Badshot · Jul 1, 2016

I'm kind of hoping the clover doesn't die.
After seeing the gd drill I'm going to try for a demo.

Will Blackburn · Jul 1, 2016

Badshot said:
I'm kind of hoping the clover doesn't die.
After seeing the gd drill I'm going to try for a demo.

It'll out compete the wheat and you'll have no crop.

Badshot · Jul 1, 2016

Will Blackburn said:
It'll out compete the wheat and you'll have no crop.

It didn't manage to outcompete the linseed all those years ago.
It'll get a big check from the glyphosate in the autumn, then maybe check it hard with.something else in spring.

Will Blackburn · Jul 1, 2016

Badshot said:
It didn't manage to outcompete the linseed all those years ago.
It'll get a big check from the glyphosate in the autumn, then maybe check it hard with.something else in spring.

Clover is slow to get going in the Spring, but quite competitive in the Autumn, quite easily dealt with though.

Badshot · Jul 1, 2016

Will Blackburn said:
Clover is slow to get going in the Spring, but quite competitive in the Autumn, quite easily dealt with though.

I'm sure a hormone will check it, and make it release some n

Will Blackburn · Jul 1, 2016

DFF normally does enough.

rob1 · Jul 2, 2016

Will Blackburn said:
Clover is slow to get going in the Spring, but quite competitive in the Autumn, quite easily dealt with though.

Want to try some prostrate clover and simtech into it should smoother weeds and provide a bit of N in the autumn

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