Crappy arse on bought in ewe lamb - advice sought

It was already broken. · Sep 24, 2016

Ok so this is the thing. I need a bit of advice if you feel able to give it.

Bought 52 NC mule ewe lambs from oop north two weeks ago. Brought em home, Heptovac, Footvax, Wormed with Zolvix, pour on, kept in for a couple of days. Put them out on marsh grazing, not the worst we have but not great and certainly nothing rich in the grazing.

The issue I have is one lamb has a seriously crappy arse, just falling out of her. Will have to tail and clean up in the next couple of days, pour on or no around here it is 20 degrees every day and green flies are everywhere. But why do you think I have this issue on one lamb? And what do you suggest? If it were a number of animals then I would think change of diet but only one? Do I try a different wormer? Blood test? Really trying to get this health thing right on me bought in stock (hence the footvax after problems last year) but a bit stumped on this one.

johnflimston · Sep 24, 2016

Shouldn't be worms if you've used Zolvix so no point splashing more wormer about.
May be worth blood testing 6 for TE deficiency including that one as one of the 6. At least hat way you'll know the TE status of the group.
Best job would be to sell it.

Nithsdale · Sep 24, 2016

Shear the tail out, and leave her be.

I get a few ewe lambs quite sh!tty looking through winter but 99% of the time once they are adults they are fine

dunk999 · Sep 25, 2016

Since I've weaned my lambs my ewes have been quite mucky also some of the lambs. I got fecs and bloods done and the results show low worm counts and cobalt copper selenium levels all adequate. I have decided it's obviously just the grass they're on and I'm going to crutch out all my ewes and ewe lambs and hope this keeps them tidier and cleaner over winter maybe we should be doing this as standard practice but I've always got off without doing it in the past other than an odd one or two

ladycrofter · Sep 25, 2016

Possibly cocci. With the previous wet weather and now the heat coming back, no doubt it will be rearing its head again. A real pain because it has you thinking worms, etc with the look of their backends. Possibly this particular lamb either has slightly less resistance to it, or just got a good dose of it and can't get over it quickly. Of course the speciality of cocci is that you first spend ££ on wormer, FEC's, blood test, etc.

A godsend for us has been Brinicombs 4in1 buckets. No more chasing lambs, collecting "samples" blah blah blah. Put the buckets out and that's that. (Thanks to whoever on the forum recommended them years ago). Buckets aren't cheap, but helluva cheaper than all of the above + cocci jags.

dunk999 · Sep 25, 2016

ladycrofter said:
Possibly cocci. With the previous wet weather and now the heat coming back, no doubt it will be rearing its head again. A real pain because it has you thinking worms, etc with the look of their backends. Possibly this particular lamb either has slightly less resistance to it, or just got a good dose of it and can't get over it quickly. Of course the speciality of cocci is that you first spend ££ on wormer, FEC's, blood test, etc.
A godsend for us has been Brinicombs 4in1 buckets. No more chasing lambs, collecting "samples" blah blah blah. Put the buckets out and that's that. (Thanks to whoever on the forum recommended them years ago). Buckets aren't cheap, but helluva cheaper than all of the above + cocci jags.

I have heard a lot of good reports about the brinicombe buckets how exactly do they work? would a lamb under dosing itself only encourage a build up of resistance?

ladycrofter · Sep 25, 2016

Doesn't seem to be a problem. I have the buckets out for 2-3 weeks in late Spring before the cocci has a chance to get really going. Then take them up and put out a month or so later and into the autumn. I used to leave them out 24/7, just changed on vet's advice so I can record "treatment time", and - because they are not cheap. Need a vet's prescription, DB send a form out.

Since using them I have not had any clarty bums, and haven't needed to worm lambs for the 2nd year running. I was never worming on FEC, just when they started skittering and of course in the end it was cocci.

msheep66 · Sep 25, 2016

Would these lambs have been fed cake Before you bought them?
If they have had cake then could be just change of feed. I was at lamb sale at Hawes saw quite a few dirty lambs especially the smaller ones.

It was already broken. · Sep 25, 2016

msheep66 said:
Would these lambs have been fed cake Before you bought them?
If they have had cake then could be just change of feed. I was at lamb sale at Hawes saw quite a few dirty lambs especially the smaller ones.

If they have seen nuts then never from a bucket. I took a bucket of ewe rolls with me today to make friends with them, I do like quiet sheep, and when I walked towards them with me bucket and a friendly 'come on' they ran like hell! I think I will try a bag with a few rolls in next time.

I will take the dog with me tomorrow and catch this lamb up and clean her up and see how it looks close up.

dunk999 · Sep 26, 2016

ladycrofter said:
Doesn't seem to be a problem. I have the buckets out for 2-3 weeks in late Spring before the cocci has a chance to get really going. Then take them up and put out a month or so later and into the autumn. I used to leave them out 24/7, just changed on vet's advice so I can record "treatment time", and - because they are not cheap. Need a vet's prescription, DB send a form out.

Since using them I have not had any clarty bums, and haven't needed to worm lambs for the 2nd year running. I was never worming on FEC, just when they started skittering and of course in the end it was cocci.

That's very interesting and sounds a familiar scenario how much tubbys do you need say per 100 ewes and don't the ewes eat the tubbys as well as the lambs?

ladycrofter · Sep 27, 2016

Yes they all have a nibble but it also has other stuff in it being 4in1, zinc for feet, can't remember what else. Will post label later if I can find an old bucket, the website is pretty basic.I have only about 20 ewes + lambs and 2 buckets do the year for me. You could put them in a creep area I suppose but I feel the ewes' (feet especially) have benefited also.

I think a lot of these things like cocci can be so low level that they don't show significantly in a sample, test result says don't dose, but it's still there just enough to drag stock down in the long run, as in: lambs look great until the day before the sale or abattoir, then they all go shitty-bummed

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And then you have to do what you should've already done but thought you got away without it. (Do we ever?) Anyway, back to OP, I have had the same mystery shitter and every time the magic buckets have stopped it.

jade35 · Sep 27, 2016

From Google
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/denis-brinicombe-buckets.14470/

http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?5012-Denis-Brinicombe-Tubs

http://www.brinicombe.co.uk/images/ebrochures/coxi-booklet/

http://www.brinicombe.co.uk/

Always ring 0800 374 325 and get a very helpful lady but I see, upon checking, that I have been ringing the mineral clinic number :scratchhead:

although the email address does say 'sales@' so that is the number I would recommend starting with. They can always redirect your enquiry.

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