Acke
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Timber i Sweden grow slow where most are. Here on 59 North it take 100years for à pine be to mature.
Biomass Log/woodchip drying
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Timber i Sweden grow slow where most are. Here on 59 North it take 100years for à pine be to mature.
Doing it for the kids
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Yup, I appreciate that but at least you have pine trees growing!!
Acke
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Befor you chop the chips dry the branches in stacks for à year or so coverd from rain.
On the current tariff for mid range boilers running at 75% of their maximum output it looks like they can earn about £180/kw/year so 500kw boiler could potentially earn £90,000/year in rhi if the owner can use the heat. So it pays these people to dry anything they can get hold of as they would be paid on top of the rhi to dry the product. There's an example on here somewhere of a 1mw boiler doing 18Mw every 24hrs. That's over £900 in rhi on tier 1 or about £400 on tier 2 isn't it?
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Well yeah, this debate, I thought, has moved on from what you can do to what you 'should do'
johnspeehs
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Burning wood to dry wood to burn to claim the RHI.
Subsidy harvesting at it's finest.
Or as its known here,, cash for ash
. It's gonna end up a total mess with talk of buying us all out and closing the scheme.turbofarming
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How would buy outs work and is that just NI?
Or as its known here,, cash for ash
I very much doubt any buy out would occur because they would have to pay out at around 75% of potential capacity so what's the point because wouldn't save anything. If we could earn £100,000/year over 20 yrs in subsidy why would we accept anything less as a one off? Think about tax on a lump sum or lost savings over previous heat creation from kero/gas?
renewablejohn
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Will be clawed back through the BSL scheme. First stage will be only heat used to produce BSL approved wood will be eligible for RHI. Then the newly introduced tonnage cost of the BSL wood will be increased to cover the RHI cost. Simples.
What's that in layman terms then?
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jcb360
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This could get interesting.
How much wriggle room does OFGEM have in changing the rules I wonder?
Surely they can't pull the plug, just try and shut down the wasteful heating, possibly RHI chip drying but for grain drying / house heating surely they won't touch that?
How much wriggle room does OFGEM have in changing the rules I wonder?
Surely they can't pull the plug, just try and shut down the wasteful heating, possibly RHI chip drying but for grain drying / house heating surely they won't touch that?
Surely a simpler idea would be another set of rules for anybody drying fuel?
turbofarming
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Well it's all gotta be dried somehow
Doing it for the kids
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Well yes but for the last 1000 yrs they haven't done much drying like this have they!
turbofarming
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Well no we just burnt the sh!t out of fossil fuels instead, isn't that the aim to get away from?
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I wasn't aware that people used gas / oil to dry wood chip before the RHI rocked up?
They just left it in their yards for a yr to get the same outcome
They just left it in their yards for a yr to get the same outcome
turbofarming
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There was a lot less chip being burnt then but obviously it's gone up massively to boost renewables and bring down fossil fuel usage.
We wouldn't have space to store 1300ton or so of timber and that's before you take into account we need it dried down to less than 10%mc
We wouldn't have space to store 1300ton or so of timber and that's before you take into account we need it dried down to less than 10%mc
renewablejohn
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Have been drying timber with solar kilns for over a decade now. No need to burn anything to dry timber.