proposed beaver release in West Wales.

Giles1

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Central Scotland
Don't waste time and money trying to reintroduce the things,like they did in Scotland.Up here there was already a wild population emanating I believe from the outskirts of Perth,think it was escape.They have spread right up the Tay system beyond Loch Tay and up to Loch Rannoch without any encouragement.Those are just the ones I know about.All that without any help from tag , release and monitor at vast public expense as in Knapdale.Here is a link to an SNH report in 2012.It's way behind the beavers,(if you have a beer in the Killin Hotel at the west end of Loch Tay and look across from its jetty you can see several stumps chewed off by beavers) but it gives an insight as to how they spread. http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/publications/commissioned_reports/540.pdf . There is a new plantation of hardwoods just gone in at vast expense a few miles from Killin and they are already up that way,leastways some Scottish Hydro boys found a dead one in an intake a few months ago just past the plantation.
 

orchard

Member
"The dam-building activities of two of these groups were leading to localised issues, necessitating frequent dam-removal by the landowners."
 
I'm a purely commerical farmer. We are looking at beavers in the near future.

We have the near perfect site for them in an area of wetland woodland, which has seen some flooding for at least the last 40 years. However, we are seeing increasing problems with flooding in the village downstream and pollution, I strongly suspect from a solar farm upstream and several maize fields that border the stream (although I have noticed EA cars parked in the gateway several times, so I suspect they may not be maize in the future...) We are currently measuring flow rates and pollution, so we can see the effect later on.

We will be installing some fairly serious metal fencing, which extends underground.

Beavers may be introduced in the wrong areas, and by people who may not consider farming as their first priority, but to say that they have no benefit at all is simply not true. If farmers resist this and refuse to have any part in attempting to control flood water, then it will happen without you and you will have no input whatsoever. If you at least attempt to work with the ideas you can have some input.

Farming has to clean up it's act and since no one in farming seems to want to it is left to those outside the industry.



What insurance are you providing the surrounding population for any damage or loss of life caused directly as a result of your actions ?

Who is responsible for the damage caused, how much money are you putting aside to deal with the problems and what rescue equipment & staff are you providing to local communities to deal with any fallout from breaking beaver dams ?

If I wanted to create a dam I would need planning permission and reports into water flows ... engineer reports and guarantees examined by professionals.

What work are you carrying out to show due dilligence to those you are putting at risk ?

How much money are you putting into liabilty insurance and who is underwriting it ?


"Farming has to clean up it's act"

I bet you are providing nothing at all in guarantees to local residents and hence this comment above is just another in a long line of environmental BS.
 

Agrispeed

Member
Location
Cornwall
You're going to farm beavers commercially? :scratchhead::scratchhead:

Sounds like it needs plenty of space but could give a return from unproductive wet woodlands?

No I'm a commercial minded & profitable dairy farmer, I'm not an environmentalist, or a lobbyist. We're looking at a way of protecting houses downstream with a self supporting system. Possibly in time we will export those that are bred, as we are only hoping for one breeding pair give or take in about 20 acres of woodland.

The fencing will cover the river, which passes through a flume on the entrance and exit, which will record the effect the Beavers will have and the time and flow that they slow down the flow from the catchment, this is already in place along with water sampling so we have baseline data. Interestingly we are seeing a much increased flow in the river very quickly after rainfall 'events' since a large solar farm was installed next door.

What insurance are you providing the surrounding population for any damage or loss of life caused directly as a result of your actions ?

If I wanted to create a dam I would need planning permission and reports into water flows ... engineer reports and guarantees examined by professionals.


"Farming has to clean up it's act"

I bet you are providing nothing at all in guarantees to local residents and hence this comment above is just another in a long line of environmental BS.

There is no risk of loss of life! The river/stream in question is about no wider than you could jump across and less than a meter deep!

For feck sake if you actually read what I've already said you would find the answers. I'm not interested in repeating myself to a group of people who have clearly made up their minds.

Farming's environmental impact will be improved in the recent future. Environmental policies will happen and farmland will perform actions other than production of food. Whether that is farmer driven or legislation pushed by the 'environmentalists' is currently the option up for debate.

The environment, who needs it? :banghead:
 
There is no risk of loss of life!

For feck sake if you actually read what I've already said you would find the answers. I'm not interested in repeating myself to a group of people who have clearly made up their minds.

Farming's environmental impact will be improved in the recent future. Environmental policies will happen and farmland will perform actions other than production of food. Whether that is farmer driven or legislation pushed by the 'environmentalists' is currently the option up for debate.

The environment, who needs it? :banghead:


Of course there is risk of loss of life.

You will have at least one dam which will hold back many thousands of tonnes of water, beaver dams break and when they break they carry all the detritus which constitutes their work down stream not only causing flooding but also potential damage to infrastructure such as pipes and bridges.

So what are YOU going to do to limit the damage to the people who live in the area given it will be YOU who is causing the problem ... you know like the Solar Farm and Maize farmers you blamed earlier.


"Farming's environmental impact will be improved in the recent future. Environmental policies will happen and farmland will perform actions other than production of food. Whether that is farmer driven or legislation pushed by the 'environmentalists' is currently the option up for debate."

This is just BS.

Not gonna happen unless the environmentalists want a civil war.
 

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