Export electricity price

Fowler VF

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Location
Herefordshire
The whole idea of the scheme was to kick off an industry. It has unfortunately back fired, mostly because of mismanagement by civil servants.

But it has kick started an entire industry. The high initial capital cost of those early plants like PV and wind came down rapidly as they became more mainstream. The various schemes reacted to this and the increase in uptake, by reducing tariffs through degressions. Hence we come to the point that reasonable scale PV for example is now very close to being viable with little or no subsidy, biomass heating subsidy is less than half what it was but there are still new plants going in as later adopters gain the confidence of seeing proven track records. OK the administration of the UK schemes hasn't been perfect; there have been one or two blatant abuses by operators (but many of those are now on borrowed time), the degression mechanism was a bit clunky but by and large it worked. Headline numbers for the high tariffs that some early plants are receiving need to be seen in the context of high initial capital costs and much higher risks of adopting new technology. Later adopters have benefitted from those early adopters taking the risk and gaining the knowledge and experience and have also benefitted from lower capital costs of plant due to higher volumes of build and better design. Hence those later adopters have less capital at risk and more knowledge to work from; less risk = less reward.

Contrast this with the Northern Ireland situation. Very slow initial uptake of RHI, so they upped the rates and then were "surprised" by the speed it took off at. Like launching a go cart down a hill, it wouldnt go at first so they gave it an almighty shove, then once it got going they realised they hadn't fitted either brakes (UK degression mechanism) or steering (UK Tier 1 and Tier 2 mechanism). Most of the media haven't grasped these fundamental differences between the mainland and NI, and have mistakenly focussed on individual operators as being the problem. The basic problem was the NI administrators just not implementing the degression and seasonal limiters like their UK counterparts, coupled with the old attitude of "it doesn't matter, Westminster is paying not us!" Actually this was what brought it all to a head in the end when Stormont (all sides) suddenly realised that it was going to be them that was paying for the excess after all; not Westminster.
 

Solarfarmer

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Location
Shrewsbury
I have at the begining of Dec signed a contract for my turbine with Limejump on a variable tariff ,but it is too soon to tell how it is performing.These people seem like quite a dynamic team of smart operators but only time will tell.

I've been talking to Linejump and they seem very good. I like the idea of having a variable tariff then fixing when the price is better.
Only issue is they don't want to pay the FIT, how did you get around this?
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
You are free to sell export to one and claim FIT from another.
The FIT rate is fixed ( but index linked ) so leave it where it is.
However one word of warning, it is up to the meter provider to supply readings to your designated . You may find some providers are very slow in organising, what is a simple job. This can lead to,loss of exports
 

Solarfarmer

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Location
Shrewsbury
You are free to sell export to one and claim FIT from another.
The FIT rate is fixed ( but index linked ) so leave it where it is.
However one word of warning, it is up to the meter provider to supply readings to your designated . You may find some providers are very slow in organising, what is a simple job. This can lead to,loss of exports

Thanks for that! Yeah I'm planning to leave the FIT with the previous buyer, they are legally obliged to continue taking your readings and paying your FIT.
All the meters here do half hourly data and can be read remotely so hopefully that will be a seamless process.
 

texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
I'm not really up to speed with the process of selling my export so signed up with my FIT provider(EON) at the time of installation.As far as i can tell this,too,is indexed linked and so increases each year.Would this be the norm with all the major providers ?
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Eon is a fairly good company to work with in My experience,very prompt payers?
They are not obliged to increase your export price, only to keep it at or above the minimum price at the time of install.
You can however hawk this export around to other companies who specialise in green energy.
However it may be that Eon are negotiable on the price, do you know what they are paying?
 

Solarfarmer

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Location
Shrewsbury
I'm not really up to speed with the process of selling my export so signed up with my FIT provider(EON) at the time of installation.As far as i can tell this,too,is indexed linked and so increases each year.Would this be the norm with all the major providers ?

You are basically selling your electricity to a buyer who will pay roughly the going rate at the time you signed up. The price varies continually - 4.91p isn't bad but you can easily get over 5 pence, maybe even 5.5 pence.
 

Gong Farmer

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BASIS
Location
S E Glos
Can I jump in with a rather naive query? We have PV panels on house and our FIT and domestic supply accounts are both with eon. They are very good with FIT payments but my direct debit for domestic supply has just been trebled as we have used far more electricity than they thought we would. OK the original was fairly low and I was sceptical but I was led to believe that as well as FIT payments for the electricity you generate, you also get discounted supplied electricity 'because you are generating it' as one website put it. I can see no evidence of this in my supply account, so am I not getting what I should or is this all covered in the various bits of the FIT account?

Thanks
 

texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
Can I jump in with a rather naive query? We have PV panels on house and our FIT and domestic supply accounts are both with eon. They are very good with FIT payments but my direct debit for domestic supply has just been trebled as we have used far more electricity than they thought we would. OK the original was fairly low and I was sceptical but I was led to believe that as well as FIT payments for the electricity you generate, you also get discounted supplied electricity 'because you are generating it' as one website put it. I can see no evidence of this in my supply account, so am I not getting what I should or is this all covered in the various bits of the FIT account?

Thanks
There are others who can tell you more succinctly than me,but my understanding is your pv panels produce electricity which you are paid for .The electricity produced during the day can be used by you ,in your house, but you are still paid for it through your fit meter reading,so if the kettle is producing 2 kw,the pv panels are doing 5 kw you still get paid for the 5 kw and your electricity meter will not have moved as you still have 3 kw spare.Im not very good at explaining things,im afraid, but hope you undersrand.
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Can I jump in with a rather naive query? We have PV panels on house and our FIT and domestic supply accounts are both with eon. They are very good with FIT payments but my direct debit for domestic supply has just been trebled as we have used far more electricity than they thought we would. OK the original was fairly low and I was sceptical but I was led to believe that as well as FIT payments for the electricity you generate, you also get discounted supplied electricity 'because you are generating it' as one website put it. I can see no evidence of this in my supply account, so am I not getting what I should or is this all covered in the various bits of the FIT account?

Thanks

Sadly you are one of the gullible fools who have fallen for the salemen' s lies. There is absolutely no way that a discounted supply was part of the deal. In fact the energy companies hate solar as it supplies power at the time when they least need it , ie. summer midday
 

e3120

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
discounted supplied electricity

I suspect they were referring to what you generate and use yourself (simultaneously) being at a discount rate (or free, depending on metering, deeming etc) to what you'd previously been buying in. This is additional to the FIT. If they told you that your import would be cheaper, then their pants were on fire.
 

Gong Farmer

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BASIS
Location
S E Glos
Sadly you are one of the gullible fools who have fallen for the salemen' s lies. There is absolutely no way that a discounted supply was part of the deal. In fact the energy companies hate solar as it supplies power at the time when they least need it , ie. summer midday
Thankfully we didn't make the investment, we inherited the panels and contract when we bought the house. I have no experience of PV so am a complete novice, but I get the sense that our domestic supply should automatically use power from the PV when the sun's shining then use the grid to top up at other times. If that's the case we are automatically getting some of our power for free and the high cost of the remaining demand is something we'll have to live with.

Thanks for the replies.
 

Still Farming

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
Unless massive installations- selling or export electric is waste of time as only pence ?
Why can't we sell to public direct at a reduced retail but better than 3-5p export rates to the big 5 ?
 
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