Ram lamb with suspected broken femur

cowgirl95

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Being able to tell when a cow is suffering is called stockmanship and is learnt from the age of 3 stood at your parents and grandparents knee unfortunately this skill can not be taught at the age of 18 at ag college or vet school although drinking large amounts of alcohol and not falling over is a skill that can be taught at said educational astablishments
 

Man_in_black

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Livestock Farmer
Any stockman worth a jot puts the animals welfare above the potential for you to potentially make money from it. Just stop for a second....a broken bone???

I've a couple of vegan friends (bless 'em) and have spent many alcohol fuelled hours debating with them about how much livestock farmers care for their animals. With 'friends ' like you, this industry doesn't need any enemies.
 

David.

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Mixed Farmer
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J11 M40
Humans have the advantage of seeing light at the end of the tunnel with a broken leg, in 6 weeks it will probably be fine. An animal with a broken bone just knows it is in constant gnawing pain and miserable; they mind that a lot. They also mind daily injections of painkiller.
They do not mind being dead.
 

cowgirl95

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Bullocks it's got nothing to do with money that is maybe why you keep cattle but not us so what do you do with a cow that comes into the parlour with ecoli mastitis she is in absolute agony she is not eating or drinking its probably going to take her a week to get her back to 100% if you treat her do you shoot her too ?
 
Broken leg invariably means it'll get shot asap here. I'm not sure how anyone could feel comfortable leaving an animal for any length of time, knowing they've got a broken limb, with no more than an anti-inflammatory as a token gesture!? I'm afraid I agree with all comments that suggest this is tantamount to cruelty and you should reconsider your approach.
 

Err0l

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Location
Cheshire
Previous posters have said cattle can manage, if that's the right word, with a broken leg. Imagine the pain that cows with serious foot problems are if they can not put any weight on it. This is the real welfare issue and one that happens all the time as cows are milked "just one more week'. These cows will also never recover
 

cowgirl95

Member
Well said errol lots of slurry based dairy farms are full of lame cowe that will not recover as apposed to the two young cattle that I have talked about that both made full recoveries
 

cowgirl95

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Broken leg invariably means it'll get shot asap here. I'm not sure how anyone could feel comfortable leaving an animal for any length of time, knowing they've got a broken limb, with no more than an anti-inflammatory as a token gesture!? I'm afraid I agree with all comments that suggest this is tantamount to cruelty and you should reconsider your approach.
 

cowgirl95

Member
When an animal is ill at our place it is nursed and looked after better than most patients in our hospitals adult cattle with a damaged leg are a totally different proposition and the outlook is usually bleak but it's not the same in young cattle and I stick by what I say they can and do make remarkable recoveries
 

Err0l

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Location
Cheshire
Any welfare issue that is ignored for our benefit is wrong. This isn't the about a lesser of two evils or trying to point score, it's about doing what is right. That should just be natural to any livestock farmer.
I don't think I was very clear in my previous message. I was not saying a broken leg is the lesser of two evils I was highlighting how much pain some lame cows are in and how some people think it's normal or not an issue as "they're going to the factory next week" or even worse " there two lame to go so i'll call the knackerman tomorrow.' I personally think lameness on dairy farms should be taken way more seriously
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Being able to tell when a cow is suffering is called stockmanship and is learnt from the age of 3 stood at your parents and grandparents knee unfortunately this skill can not be taught at the age of 18 at ag college or vet school although drinking large amounts of alcohol and not falling over is a skill that can be taught at said educational astablishments

Shite. Non of my parents or grandparents were involved in ag. Didn't go to vet school or ag college either (although did 1 year at Ciren).

Can I still be a farmer?
 

cowgirl95

Member
I don't think I was very clear in my previous message. I was not saying a broken leg is the lesser of two evils I was highlighting how much pain some lame cows are in and how some people think it's normal or not an issue as "they're going to the factory next week" or even worse " there two lame to go so i'll call the knackerman tomorrow.' I personally think lameness on dairy farms should be taken way more seriously
Could not agree more the lameness problem on some dairy farmers is a disgrace and the farm assurance people do nothing about it except load us all with pointless locomotion paper work
 

MRT

Member
Livestock Farmer
Being able to tell when a cow is suffering... can not be taught at the age of 18 at ag college or vet school

Yes it can. Ask people to watch video of dairy cattle walking and pick out the lame ones, then give a short talk on recognising more subtle signs of lameness and show the same videos again and they are much better able to pick them out. We can all learn a bit more and improve our skills even after the age of 18!
 

cowgirl95

Member
Yes it can. Ask people to watch video of dairy cattle walking and pick out the lame ones, then give a short talk on recognising more subtle signs of lameness and show the same videos again and they are much better able to pick them out. We can all learn a bit more and improve our skills even after the age of 18!
Of course you can learn and improve skills at 18 but in the same way that Wayne Rooney learnt to play football at the age of 3 4 and 5 stockmanship is a skill learnt best at a very young age
 

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