750a after Stubble Turnips

Shropshire Farmer

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Shrewsbury, Shropshire.

• Jan 14, 2017

• #1

I've got 80 acres of spring barley to go in after grazed stubble turnips and oil radish 40 acres on nice easy free draining sandy loam and 40 acres on medium/heavy clay loam.
Do you I should run a sumo in front to open the ground up ? Conscious of surface compaction and poaching from the sheep.

 

Devon James

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Devon

• Jan 14, 2017

• #2

Sumo possibly a bit ott? I have seen the cap on that sort of situation break to pieces if patient enough before drilling.

 

Dan Powell

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Shropshire

• Jan 14, 2017

• #3

You could probably go straight in especially on the light stuff. Have a dig and see how deep the surface capping is. Mine was 2" last year. Make sure you spray off any greenery at least a month before drilling and don't try to go too early. Did some last year with a Simtech and where I did it right it was a 3t/acre crop. Where I went too early on cold heavier soil it was poor.

 

Simon Chiles

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Surrey/ Kent Border, UK

• Jan 14, 2017

• #4

Dan Powell said:

You could probably go straight in especially on the light stuff. Have a dig and see how deep the surface capping is. Mine was 2" last year. Make sure you spray off any greenery at least a month before drilling and don't try to go too early. Did some last year with a Simtech and where I did it right it was a 3t/acre crop. Where I went too early on cold heavier soil it was poor.

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^^^ Exactly this. The surface capping is likely to be shallower than the seeding depth but obviously needs checking.

 

Shropshire Farmer

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Shrewsbury, Shropshire.

• Jan 14, 2017

• #5

Thanks guys. I'm conscious that the worst bit will be on the early grazed parts of the fields where there has been more traffic

 

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Ruston3w

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south suffolk

• Jan 15, 2017

• #6

I asked about this a while ago, we struggle with corners of folds, paths etc, the simtech doesn't really fix it, though any overdrilling is fine. My question was what on earth can you use to break a 4" deep compacted layer with which doesn't boil the surface? IIRC it was subsoil at ......9"plus to get shatter. Maybe strip-till drill with tine would be the lesser of the two evils?

 

E_B

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Norfolk

• Jan 15, 2017

• #7

I'm always surprised at how tight sheep grazing our stubble turnips leave the surface, on light ground with plenty of OM too.

 

Ladybird

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Location

West Hendred

• Jan 17, 2017

• #8

I asked exactly the same question this time last year to @Simon Chiles. I went in straight after stubble turnips. I waited till it had dried off nicely and formed a crust on top 40-50ml had a cracking crop. Only problem nitrogen levels were a bit border line in my malting barley.
Good luck.

 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer

Location

Montgomeryshire

• Jan 24, 2017

• #9

Ruston3w said:

I asked about this a while ago, we struggle with corners of folds, paths etc, the simtech doesn't really fix it, though any overdrilling is fine. My question was what on earth can you use to break a 4" deep compacted layer with which doesn't boil the surface? IIRC it was subsoil at ......9"plus to get shatter. Maybe strip-till drill with tine would be the lesser of the two evils?

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I run through all mine with a fast, shallow pass with a Kongskilde Delta, ahead of the Simtech. It breaks any surface capping on trafficked patches and I'm convinced it helps warm the soil earlier. As above, I don't even think about drilling until the soil is warming, which is usually running into April here.

 

yellow belly

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south west lincolnshire

• Jan 24, 2017

• #10

I had a block with some fields grazed stubble turnips and some with natural reg

Drilled spring beans with weaving big disc in second half of April once dry enough could not see the difference between grazed and natural regen even though the sheep grazed was a bit tight
So far it looks like there is no difference in the following wheat

 

BSH

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Romsey, Hampshire

• Jan 27, 2017

• #11

You should be fine to go straight in. I have gone straight in behind cattle grazed cover crop and it was mostly fine although on the worst poached bits I had too much seed on the surface. Compaction wasnt an issue, only the holes from poaching so should be fine after sheep. Like you will be going in after sheep this spring. I intend to go straight in and there is nothing like the damage from the cattle.