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From Northern Ireland?
What is the future for Northern Ireland
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From Northern Ireland?
Danllan
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From the UK, Britain, Wales, and to be specific, Carmarthenshire 
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From the UK, Britain, Wales, and to be specific, Carmarthenshire
Sort of knew. We generally don't take well too "outsiders" giving an opinion!
Danllan
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Yes, I 'sort of' noticed that first of all when I was helping separate one bunch of violent, ignorant, bigoted idiots from another lot in Belfast in the late 80's.
But I'll be honest enough to admit that my experience - post Army - of NI since then, both in work and visiting family and friends, has been sufficient to give me a wholly different impression than my original one. I've no illusions about the depth of feelings or the real state of affairs, but then I don't need to have.
As for my being an 'outsider', hmm... I'm a citizen of the UK and NI is part of the UK so I've 'sort of' got a bit of an interest so to speak, and I've never noticed any reticence whatsoever, in anyone over there from any 'tradition', in accepting an awful lot of my 'outsider's' money.
And, if you don't like outsiders' opinions your a Grade A tw*t to come on an internet forum and join a discussion.
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Yes, I 'sort of' noticed that first of all when I was helping separate one bunch of violent, ignorant, bigoted idiots from another lot in Belfast in the late 80's.
But I'll be honest enough to admit that my experience - post Army - of NI since then, both in work and visiting family and friends, has been sufficient to give me a wholly different impression than my original one. I've no illusions about the depth of feelings or the real state of affairs, but then I don't need to have.
As for my being an 'outsider', hmm... I'm a citizen of the UK and NI is part of the UK so I've 'sort of' got a bit of an interest so to speak, and I've never noticed any reticence whatsoever, in anyone over there from any 'tradition', in accepting an awful lot of my 'outsider's' money.
And, if you don't like outsiders' opinions your a Grade A tw*t to come on an internet forum and join a discussion.
Just a note my comment was tongue in cheek. It's my northern Irish sense of humour.
The joke is we hate each other, but in reality we hate everyone else more!
Danllan
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Then I apologise unreservedly; but still give you my opinion... that if a joke's wording is ambiguous and could be taken seriously, it will help thickies like me a lot if you put a smiley at the end, like this
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Then I apologise unreservedly; but still give you my opinion... that if a joke's wording is ambiguous and could be taken seriously, it will help thickies like me a lot if you put a smiley at the end, like this
I've a very dry sense of humour I must get round to using the smiley faces!
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Good to know that the peace lines in Belfast didnt entirely ruin your opinion of people here. I maintain that once you leave the city and come out onto farm, we are a pretty civil bunch of folks!
Danllan
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Had some interesting times in the cuds too; but have never had anything but good times in NI in recent years, and the only argument have had was about rugby with a cousin in law... People are people, full stop, some are good some bad, most are decent most of the time. Better manners in the country than the towns over here too...
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How hard would brexit hit the Irish farmers? 40% of their food exports to the U.K.?
Potentially very hard of course. At least in sector where UK can fulfill its own needs.
Of course they (government and processors) tell us that new markets are being opened to help. To a degree that's true I suppose, but still when you have a market of 50m people sitting right next door, speaking the same language and operating the same standards and regulations, it's going to be nigh on impossible to replace.
Bit like UK finding itself outside its huge market next door in EU. There has to be massive disruption.
Ireland will have massive disruption finding replacement markets for stuff we sell to UK at the same time as UK is having massive disruption whilst it is resetting its own market compass.
Still ........ we're kinda used to disruption over here. We kinda get around to disrupting ourselves every so often
antares100
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There is only one answer to this historical mess, The British and Irish goverments have accepted that long ago, all they are waiting for is the right conditions to emerge, and brexit/border issue has just added more pressure to reunification of Ireland,
funny thing is as I said in an earlier post if the unionists hadn't opposed home rule and brought the gun into Irish politics by forming the UVF in 1912, and threatening to revolt against the british government of the day, then all of Ireland would still be happily in the UK I think, with a devolved government in Dublin, and the last 100 years of sh1te need never have happened,
the planters in the north east have a lot to answer for.
funny thing is as I said in an earlier post if the unionists hadn't opposed home rule and brought the gun into Irish politics by forming the UVF in 1912, and threatening to revolt against the british government of the day, then all of Ireland would still be happily in the UK I think, with a devolved government in Dublin, and the last 100 years of sh1te need never have happened,
the planters in the north east have a lot to answer for.
What a load of complete tosh. They must teach an entirely different version of Irish history and politics where you live. There is no appetite for a United Ireland - either north or south of the border. The UK government has not agreed to unification when the time and conditions are right. They signed the Belfast Agreement which states that the border is a matter entirely for the people of Northern Ireland. That is far from your stated position of accepting unification and waiting for the right time to implement it.
Well I won't be around for a united Ireland and just as well. It's an economic pipe dream apart at all from the societal issues. We are more than busy enough trying to run what we have and keep our head partially above water what with Brexit, Trump, our existing debt load and potential unraveling of EU.
If Brexit goes well for Britain which it might and its economic situation stabilises and thrives NI will be well and truely safe and secure in the union.
If Brexit is not an economic success over time, NI could well take a real kick in the nuts as no doubt cash transfers from London would dwindle sharply.
Mind you I do think the soccer associations should join and have an all island domestic league and international team. We are too small to be split as we are.
The HQ of the joined association should be in the north to balance out the rugby being in the south.
Should I get my coat now .....
If Brexit goes well for Britain which it might and its economic situation stabilises and thrives NI will be well and truely safe and secure in the union.
If Brexit is not an economic success over time, NI could well take a real kick in the nuts as no doubt cash transfers from London would dwindle sharply.
Mind you I do think the soccer associations should join and have an all island domestic league and international team. We are too small to be split as we are.
The HQ of the joined association should be in the north to balance out the rugby being in the south.
Should I get my coat now .....
Well I won't be around for a united Ireland and just as well. It's an economic pipe dream apart at all from the societal issues. We are more than busy enough trying to run what we have and keep our head partially above water what with Brexit, Trump, our existing debt load and potential unraveling of EU.
If Brexit goes well for Britain which it might and its economic situation stabilises and thrives NI will be well and truely safe and secure in the union.
If Brexit is not an economic success over time, NI could well take a real kick in the nuts as no doubt cash transfers from London would dwindle sharply.
Mind you I do think the soccer associations should join and have an all island domestic league and international team. We are too small to be split as we are.
The HQ of the joined association should be in the north to balance out the rugby being in the south.
Should I get my coat now .....
An excellent post (until you messed it up with reference to a joint football team
).An excellent post (until you messed it up with reference to a joint football team
Well we're going nowhere with the leagues we have. Under funded clubs, grotty grounds, not enough scale for a decent sponsor to get involved, not enough scale for decent TV coverage. Soccer trying to compete with rugby and GAA under its current structure has no hope. Money follows scale and TV exposure.
NI fans and ROI fans mixed, drank, got drunk, sang and acted to clown in France last summer. Neither group saw fit to cause trouble unlike others. They and supported each other's teams in general.
Then you get on some Ryanair flights to Manchester or Liverpool and there are full with supporters from both sides of the border all with a common purpose!!
Two Mickey Mouse leagues on this island going nowhere makes no sense!
I enjoy rugby - played a bit when I was at school.
However, I find it very offensive to have to listen to the Soldiers Song when an Irish international match starts for a team that supposedly represents me. The Soldiers Song most certainly does not represent me.
So will God Save The Queen play at these unified matches of yours?
Did not think so, so no chance of it happening.
I repeat again, your earlier post was one of the best you have posted.
However, I find it very offensive to have to listen to the Soldiers Song when an Irish international match starts for a team that supposedly represents me. The Soldiers Song most certainly does not represent me.
So will God Save The Queen play at these unified matches of yours?
Did not think so, so no chance of it happening.
I repeat again, your earlier post was one of the best you have posted.
antares100
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I like the way you ignored the 2nd paragraph of my post, there is no appetite for a united Ireland? have you asked everyone? if you notice I almost always add 'in my opinion' to my posts,
in my opinion a united Ireland is the only answer for this island in the long run, time is running out for the 6 county statelet in the northeast of Ireland, it was never meant to last anyway.
Danllan
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Well I won't be around for a united Ireland and just as well. It's an economic pipe dream apart at all from the societal issues. We are more than busy enough trying to run what we have and keep our head partially above water what with Brexit, Trump, our existing debt load and potential unraveling of EU.
If Brexit goes well for Britain which it might and its economic situation stabilises and thrives NI will be well and truely safe and secure in the union.
If Brexit is not an economic success over time, NI could well take a real kick in the nuts as no doubt cash transfers from London would dwindle sharply.
Mind you I do think the soccer associations should join and have an all island domestic league and international team. We are too small to be split as we are.
The HQ of the joined association should be in the north to balance out the rugby being in the south.
Should I get my coat now .....
If the EU goes down the pan what do you think the Republic should and would do? I asked some cousins over there and they didn't even want to think about it...
antares100
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I think the UK as you know it is as likely to be gone before the EU if the Scotch remain vote is ignored, little matter to the British government that the majority in the six counties also voted remain.