The Hunt

kill · Feb 15, 2017

worker said:
Not where I live..They just think it funny. Even reported it to the police, but as no heifers aborted apparently that's ok then.!

You were lucky as I had 9 cows abort after a very bad upset all day long by the local hunt around 12 year's ago. Took two weeks to get near those cow's again and even in the same field and the were dead quiet beforehand.

I asked them 3 or 4 time's that day to move on and leave my cows alone but they carried on regardless.

worker · Feb 15, 2017

kill said:
You were lucky as I had 9 cows abort after a very bad upset all day long by the local hunt around 12 year's ago. Took two weeks to get near those cow's again and even in the same field and the were dead quiet beforehand.

Not the south Dorset by any chance?

Highland Mule · Feb 15, 2017

Tarw Coch said:
I got the impression that the post I had quoted was meaning to shoot the horses and hounds to punish those in the hunt who were crossing his property ( I take it that it was meant in a theoretical sense and I trust he would have more sense than to actually do it). The horses and hounds would be there at the instruction of those in the hunt.
OTOH I would assume a dog worrying sheep would be out of control so not a like for like comparison.

Osca said:
I'm not in a fox-hunting area nowadays; but Highland Mule's post struck a nerve. It reminded me how much, over the years, I have come to loathe and dread the sporting activities of idiots with guns, who don't know when they're unwelcome, consider themselves responsible despite all evidence to the contrary, and have no real consideration for people, property or livestock; this seems to be commonplace right the way up country from the young rough shooters trespassing on the fields of a livery yard beside Heathrow Airport and shooting between the grazing horses (these chancers, when caught, thought they were going to be offered a chance to "control the rabbit problem" and could not see why we might not want them there) - via the local shoot in the midlands, who positioned guns uninvited on my neighbours land, and the local policeman in Lincolnshire who fancied hiomself as a shooting man and felt he could exercise his gundog (and let it crap) in my little paddock with the cow and calf, even when asked not to do it - to the pillocks up here a few years ago who were shooting across the field, in the dark, from a car on the road, while we were there checking up on a sick animal.

I've had reason to be grateful to a shooting farmer up here, for keeping the foxes and rabbits down, and I fully understand the usefulness of a gun as a tool and see that some might enjoy the work - and if hounds really are chasing livestock, that's another thing - but when you get someone advocating Highland Mule's approach, suggesting the horses be shot, presumably with people on them, it makes me feel I'm once again in the presence of one of the prats, the source of the problems and not the solution.

Fair comment on the horses, and a bit of a hypothetical one anyway up here - I am wrong on that account. But as for hounds, if they are not being controlled and are worrying my animals, I stand by what I wrote.

kill · Feb 15, 2017

worker said:
Not the south Dorset by any chance?

Nope.

mwj · Feb 15, 2017

suffolksmallholder said:
A show winning Copper Maran. £25 tops! Realistic please.
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How do you arrive at price for an animal that is not for sale? Would you be ok with a random stranger coming to your home and taking something that you valued?

Highland Mule · Feb 15, 2017

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suffolksmallholder · Feb 15, 2017

mwj said:
How do you arrive at price for an animal that is not for sale? Would you be ok with a random stranger coming to your home and taking something that you valued?

By its value on the open market. That is the way insurance co's operate in my experience. I can't go by anything else. If you took it further and hire a lawyer to argue this I'd hazzard you'd be hard pushed to claim emotional or future potential or any other such value. They'd just send in a loss adjuster and take an average. As ever the lawyers would be the winners and you'd be the looser.
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Osca · Feb 15, 2017

To get more than the £25, I suppose you would need to pin down the price beforehand in some way. Don't know how. A mention in the insurance maybe as a "listed item" - but the premiums would be eye-watering. Or proof that you'd turned down a substantial offer for the bird, or had made that much money from it's predecessor? ? Or proof of similar cockerels going for similar prices - but the rarity value becomes hard to demonstrate when it is so rare there aren't any...

suffolksmallholder · Feb 15, 2017

I'm not sure my wife would warrant £200 as she'd soon give whoever bought her way, way more grief than £200 ever bought!
I'm really not sure this an appropriate post @Highland Mule? I'm not sure how to take this jibe.....Possibly as offensive or jest. Whichever it's not pleasant @llamedos
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Highland Mule · Feb 15, 2017

suffolksmallholder said:
I'm not sure my wife would warrant £200 as she'd soon give whoever bought her way, way more grief than £200 ever bought!
I'm really not sure this an appropriate post @Highland Mule? I'm not sure how to take this jibe.....Possibly as offensive or jest. Whichever it's not pleasant @llamedos
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Tarw Coch · Feb 15, 2017

worker said:
So when the hounds are chasing my incalf heifers round and round and the huntsman says 'but you know we can't control them all the time', are you saying it is not a like for like comparison. Dorset hunt are ar**holes.

My initial reply was regarding a post by Highland Mule and should be read in that context, it would appear you have a problem with the Dorset hunt and it would seem you have a different reason to want to shoot hounds than the reason Highland Mule did.

mwj · Feb 15, 2017

suffolksmallholder said:
By its value on the open market. That is the way insurance co's operate in my experience. I can't go by anything else. If you took it further and hire a lawyer to argue this I'd hazzard you'd be hard pushed to claim emotional or future potential or any other such value. They'd just send in a loss adjuster and take an average. As ever the lawyers would be the winners and you'd be the looser.
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So if someone came to your home and took a valued possession, you would be fine if the gave you average market value?? The unwanted loss is the problem.

bobajob · Feb 15, 2017

Had a barking hound in my sheep shed at lambing time it was running up and down barking after the local hounds were nearby. Couldnt get near enough it with a shovel to skelp its backside as I chased it out the shed and down the road!!
Sent them a bill for 2 ewes aborting and my time dealing with it.
As others have said its their attitude that gets me, its nothing to do with getting foxes- you would get far more foxes going about quietly with a lamp. They think its a jolly. Keeper asked me 'what was my problem'!!- when the hounds went through my lambing field and we had a stand up argument about it!!

Pasty · Feb 15, 2017

suffolksmallholder said:
A show winning Copper Maran. £25 tops! Realistic please.
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We are talking about potential income. Any farmer should understand that. £25? If what you are saying is the case, why do farmers get so upset about the compo for TB cattle? What's the problem? You got your money.

It's not the value of the animal on the day. It's the potential of that animal to breed and the hard work you put into getting it. Why can you not understand that? You can't just go out and buy top line stock any day you like.

Anyway, it's Marans, not Maran.

suffolksmallholder · Feb 16, 2017

Pasty said:
We are talking about potential income. Any farmer should understand that. £25? If what you are saying is the case, why do farmers get so upset about the compo for TB cattle? What's the problem? You got your money.

It's not the value of the animal on the day. It's the potential of that animal to breed and the hard work you put into getting it. Why can you not understand that? You can't just go out and buy top line stock any day you like.

Anyway, it's Marans, not Maran.

Oh I agree with this but try putting the same to the insurance co....
What we produce, Copper & Cuckoo Maransssss, cost so much time & effort to reach a market value of £25 per bird

and when CF pays a visit & takes one prize Cuckoo cockerell, 3 hens & a quality Muscovy duck (as ever the one who produces the best coloured offspring)

We'll now have to wait for other peoples ducks to lay & ours to start sitting and then get a selection of fertilised eggs sent in the post and then wait to see what hatches. This all takes time. No we don't do charging about in a car.
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JP1 · Feb 16, 2017

suffolksmallholder said:
Oh I agree with this but try putting the same to the insurance co....
What we produce, Copper & Cuckoo Maransssss, cost so much time & effort to reach a market value of £25 per bird and when CF pays a visit & takes one prize Cuckoo cockerell, 3 hens & a quality Muscovy duck (as ever the one who produces the best coloured offspring) We'll now have to wait for other peoples ducks to lay & ours to start sitting and then get a selection of fertilised eggs sent in the post and then wait to see what hatches. This all takes time. No we don't do charging about in a car.
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I can't speak for £25 or £4000 but surely @Pasty 's point was the 4 years to get to a cockerel of that breed to be a stud, the costs involved in procuring such a cockerel including labour and travel , the loss of income during the time to procure another one. I suppose the acid test is asking the insurance company to replace it with one of equal standing. I had the same with a dog incident whereby I lost one shearling ewe and treated three others. My bill was £500 and I make no apology for any of it. Vet attendances, disposal of a euthanased carcass, travel costs, travel costs to procure a replacement. If it was a young Riggit Galloway bull, I would have gone for the loss of income too

And I'm sure £25 or £4000 or £500, both Pasty and I would have preferred to have not had the money and just had the original livestock and been left alone

Nearly · Feb 16, 2017

kill said:
I asked them 3 or 4 time's that day to move on and leave my cows alone but they carried on regardless.

You can't ask anything of them, the only way to get through is to bloody tell them several times.

kill · Feb 16, 2017

Nearly said:
You can't ask anything of them, the only way to get through is to bloody tell them several times.

Can't educate a turd

matthew · Feb 16, 2017

I'm finding it difficult to equate our experiences with what I read on here. A phone call from a hunt servant a day or two before, explained they would be in the area, and were any fields or the farm to be avoided?
As I used to share the school run with the huntsman's brats, I've seen the maps for the next day being blocked if farmers had stock out, new seeds, too wet or did not want the hounds across. That was fields or whole farms.

Down here the courtesy is similar. A phone call to say 'we're around'.

If it's your land then it's your prerogative to say no. And mean it.
No land = no hunting. It's very much a two way thing.

Btw, the two hunts could not have been more different. One was the top notch Midlands outfit, and down here more a farmer's hunt. The pre hunt courtesy was the same.

Paddington · Feb 16, 2017

We are carded (or emailed) by the local hunt if they are meeting nearby. I have been chastised in the past for running across a field of winter wheat with a pack of hounds, first by the huntsman and then by the master for not apologising to the landowner for any damage. Whips were always briefed at the meet as to where we could hunt and where we couldn't. Any livestock would have at least one whip posted to see that hounds were kept away from them. Mounted followers were kept under strict control by a field master, if you couldn't keep your horse on the headlands you were asked to go home.
Country's gone to the bow-wows !

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