I reckon the move away from the boxy look on the discovery is so they can use that shape on the new defenders. Apparently they wont be making a pickup either and I do not expect the prices to be cheap.
2019 Land Rover Defender ute
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I saw x3 potential working concepts as part of a focus group thing, this was 18 months ago now I guess so what I saw may have no resemblance to what gets launched, all it proved to me at the time was that they were certainly planning a replacement (something that many have constantly denied !)
Defender is their Halo model and thats why it will always exist regardless of profit or not
DeeGee
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I really don't know if there will ever be a new Land Rover. But I would strongly disagree about not 'building something cheap to sell to farmers.'
Quite the contrary, whereas nothing LR make is cheap, the fact that they may make a new Defender for real work and to be used by farmers would likely give their brand more credibility and image among the mainstream buyer of their premium vehicles.
They could also well see a long waiting list for such a vehicle from moneyed buyers wanting to be seen in a 'real' Land Rover.
Cowabunga
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It might have escaped your notice that it doesn't currently exist. How common is it for such 'halo models' to cease production with no replacement ready for launch? Much less after having 34 years to prepare one! Doesn't look like they think its important to me. Shows either a total lack of commitment or a total balls-up more like.
Yes, they had more important fish to fry, but that hardly reinforces your claim above and considering the non-production of such a model for a substantial time, even if ever one eventually appears.
It wouldn't surprise me if they launched a commercial model of the Discovery5 within a couple of years though. That would be very easy to do with virtually no extra cost to the Company.
farmerbill
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I think it shows how far down Land Rovers priority list the Defender is when since its demise, they have released the completely new discovery, Range Rover Evoque cabriolet, and more recently ANOTHER Range Rover varient- the Velor. For those who find the evoque too small and the sport too big I suppose.
You can see what way the R&D budget is being spent, and it's not on a few miserable farmers on a small island.
You can see what way the R&D budget is being spent, and it's not on a few miserable farmers on a small island.
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two-cylinder
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Defender is a 'brand' just as 'mini' is.
The 2001 BMW Mini bore only a passing resemblance to the Austin/Rover mini, everything else about the car was new, and that's how I see the new Defender.
There will be styling cues paying tribute to the old model but the vehicle will be completely different and like the mini probably aimed at a different market slot.
The 2001 BMW Mini bore only a passing resemblance to the Austin/Rover mini, everything else about the car was new, and that's how I see the new Defender.
There will be styling cues paying tribute to the old model but the vehicle will be completely different and like the mini probably aimed at a different market slot.
It does exist and it will be available q3 2018 I believe they have said officially now ?
I guess I will have to drive to your house in one before you accept that though !
I was told it will price 32k - 100k.
It's not for farmers
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The end.
suffolksmallholder
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OMG another hairdressers car! Where's the KISS principal? What is wrong with turning out something simple Land Rover, PLEASE. Try this as I regard it as a bold design which would suit many who still work in a MANUAL way, yes MANUAL not sitting in an office dreaming of being in the countryside in something that would shriek and run away if shown a hose pipe....
This is a start and maybe I'll get one and the engine will be made in Britain too at Bridgend not bl88dy Wolfsberg.
http://oxgvt.com/the-ox-all-terrain-vehicle/
SS
This is a start and maybe I'll get one and the engine will be made in Britain too at Bridgend not bl88dy Wolfsberg.
http://oxgvt.com/the-ox-all-terrain-vehicle/
SS
Cowabunga
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Bring one bought from a Land Rover retail dealer down to me tomorrow and convince me that your phantom Defender replacement utility vehicle is currently in production. You can't because it doesn't exist. You can't because they are not made. You can't because there isn't one in production at any price.
Third quarter 2018 is 18 months away according to my calendar, approximately. While they may indeed have some kind of commercial vehicle or utility vehicle ready to market by then, it will have left a gap of about three years by the time they are at dealers, between the demise of the old model and the introduction of this apparition [which still might not see the light of day even then]. How many times have we heard it all before? Too many times to count.
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Cowabunga
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Land Rover diesel four cylinder engines are made by the side of the M54, not far from Telford and Wolverhampton. Not Wolfsburg. Not Bridgend. Not Dagenham. Not by anyone else.
Not heard of any serious problems with the Ingenium engines either, and they have been out long enough now for any common issues to be fairly well known.
Is the [soon to be replaced] Ford 2.2 diesel actually "ultra reliable"? I run one and I think its an OK engine, but no more. It is rather noisy. Too thirsty and is known for piston and oil pump failures. Perhaps Ox believes more of the Ford hype than I do?
Production has already been replaced in the UK by the new wet-belt, more refined and economical 2.0 diesel engine, already seen in Transit and soon to be used across the Ford range of cars and commercials. Hopefully this will be 'right first time' and built 'Ford Tough'.
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Cowabunga
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£32k will only get you a reasonable spec Honda CRV with almost no extras today. Prices are indeed mental. Farm prices are mentally low in comparison, which means that many farmers find a fairly mid range car like that mentally expensive [rather than see that they are on poverty income].
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Due to be built in Slovakia so I read at the weekend.
Hilly
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.I meant it is astounding the amount of high value cars farmers buy not that the value of each one was mental, go to a special event and check out the car park would give a false impression of ag profitability.
Cowabunga
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If you are counting £35k cars then go anywhere at any time and be astounded. There's £50k cars around here with shops and businesses that are known to be on the brink of collapse. Carpenters with Q7. Estate agents with fleets of £40k to £80k cars in one family. Plumbers with garages full of BMW M cars. Motability cars galore with people who haven't done a day's work in their lives as far as I know, and I've known some of them since they were children.
Welcome to 2017
Cowabunga
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Depends whether new or used. A very high proportion are certainly attained on some kind of 'never-never' but they have to be paid for one way or another.
Hilly
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Carpenters, plumbers on average will make far more money and have far less to spend it on than the average farmer so would stand to reason they would have a good car.