Mkfm
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- Ashby de la zouch
Thanks, claim validation !
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Thanks, claim validation !
Fowler VF
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- Herefordshire
As per previous discussions with you and the post by Hindsight, everything about your claim is absolutely right bar the one thing. i.e. not being able to show establishment of entitlements under SPS in 2008. But I am unsure, did you ever establish those entitlements or use those fields under SPS, even if it was after 2008? If you did then I think you could possibly appeal on the grounds of delay due to external circumstances (i.e. your fathers death). If you never established or claimed under SPS for those FWPS areas then I think you are never going to establish them under BPS. To me its pretty clear cut and your agent should have realised this from the outset.
In my own case, after masses of time and effort, I have successfully got the BPS entitlements established for all my FWPS land claimed in 2008 under SPS under land use SA02 and am now in (hopefully) the final phase of getting RPA to change their maps to show the areas as being BPS eligible usage of RD01 or SR01 rather than the WO12 that they currently map them as. Incidentally, I had to get a Forestry Commission officer to confirm that my FWPS land was still under FWPS rules, even though the payments have now finished and also to confirm that my usage of my poplar plantations as wood fuel, harvested as logs every 10 years or so was allowed under FWPS rules. This last thing arose because RPA define short rotation coppice as being a harvest interval of less than 20 years but Forestry Commission define short rotation coppice as being harvest interval of less than 5 years. Obviously, having issued the entitlements RPA have sort of admitted that the land is eligible but it looks like one department hasn't told the other to change the map status. In amongst all this, I still haven't actually received the 2015 payment, have received 95% of the 2016 payment and cant fill in the 2017 forms until they change the maps. I have taken the 2015 payment matter to the Appeal Panel in an attempt to force their hand and bring the whole thing to the top of someones pile; I will keep posting as that progresses.
Hesston4860s
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- Location
- Nr Lincoln
My late father used them with his SPS up till 2005 when he died, as I've said I never got an SBI till July ish 2008 and the woodland contracts where transferred to me in October ish 2008. I've never had any dealings with the RPA till BPS 2015, so no I've never claimed on my land before as the RPA said I had nothing to claim for as I have no other land other than the FWPS areas !. I used to get a set of maps sent every now and again and my 2012 maps dated 06/09/12 show the entire area as SPS eligible !.
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Fowler VF
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- Herefordshire
Doesn't sound brilliant then. But I have never fully understood the date of 2008 given by RPA, SPS started in 2005 so I don't really understand the significance of 2008 being the trigger date. Since you have got this far it might be worth one last throw of the dice. If the fields were definitely registered with RPA and received payment and entitlements in 2005 then you could argue that the fact that they weren't claimed in 2008 was due to the death of your father. The way that I see it is that your agent should have known all of this, maybe you can persuade him that he owes you a favour for not having handled it correctly (I doubt you can claim your fees back off him, that would be another fight not worth pursuing). So maybe your agent would stump up the Appeal panel fee, £250 at most (he will get it back if you win). You put together the case that the land was registered in 2005 for SPS and has only missed to be registered in 2008 due to a) your fathers death, b) delay in issuing SBI, c) delay in getting FWPS contract signed over. You argue that if not for these factors it would have been claimed in 2008, so RPA ought to allow it to be registered under BPS. The appeal needs to be put together simply, clearly and coherently. The appeal panel is made up of farmers, land agents, and solicitors etc. All practical people who understand the issues of government departments and tend not to be afraid of ruling against DEFRA and RPA. You might stand a chance by putting a good case to them.
Its only a chance, but maybe worth trying? Especially if you can persuade your agent to do the decent thing and fund and prepare it.
Not even worth thinking about if that land was not definitely registered and held entitlements under SPS in 2005 or any other time.
Its only a chance, but maybe worth trying? Especially if you can persuade your agent to do the decent thing and fund and prepare it.
Not even worth thinking about if that land was not definitely registered and held entitlements under SPS in 2005 or any other time.
carpenter1
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- devon
i have to say i have been paid, not sure its full amount but at least its a start.
does not mention young farmer
does not mention young farmer
fieldfarmer
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Still nothing here, but have been told our case worker will be in touch , but that was about ten days ago.
Mkfm
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- Location
- Ashby de la zouch
I've just checked and I've gone from claim validation to final checking! All in 48 hrs!
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
I cannot understand why the rpa inspectors cannot look at google earth and see if the fields under cloud exist
all my fields show up with each date run on google earth since the year 2000 we are now in 2017
and in some case where fields have not been amalgamated are identicle to the os plans back to the Victorians or in one case a field that was subdivided ubder enclosure act is now back to the original in 1780
or why not run the satalight on another day
this would save a large amount in administration
all my fields show up with each date run on google earth since the year 2000 we are now in 2017
and in some case where fields have not been amalgamated are identicle to the os plans back to the Victorians or in one case a field that was subdivided ubder enclosure act is now back to the original in 1780
or why not run the satalight on another day
this would save a large amount in administration
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Ah the voice of reason. If only.
Mkfm
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- Location
- Ashby de la zouch
Does anybody know how long it takes to go from " final checking " to actually being paid
Fowler VF
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- Location
- Herefordshire
In desperation I sent off my £250 about a month ago and appealed the 2015 decision. Actually, they never made a decision, just didn't pay! They refused all payments on land that was in Farm Woodland Premium Scheme by changing my field use codes from RD01 and SR01, after I had submitted, to "Natural Woodland" and BPS ineligible.
No correspondence at all from the appeal panel, but out of the blue I have been paid an amount that looks like the 2015 missing payment, plus return of their "fine" for over-claiming. it doesn't look like they have cashed the £250 cheque for the appeal either. The remittance advice has no details on it other than "2015 claim", no letter of explanation either.
I am guessing that they don't want to admit to this being a "lost" appeal, so I wont ever get any formal response otherwise that would mess up their statistics. But I am pretty convinced that release of the funds has come from lodging that appeal; nothing else has worked over the last 2 years!
They did correct the 2016 claims and made the correct payment in January.
All that's left to do now is to wait for mapping to correct their errors on the same fields on the 2017 forms, now that I have submitted my third set of RLE forms. The LAND section is showing the exclamation mark now, so that indicates changes pending. Lets just hope that they make the right changes!
No correspondence at all from the appeal panel, but out of the blue I have been paid an amount that looks like the 2015 missing payment, plus return of their "fine" for over-claiming. it doesn't look like they have cashed the £250 cheque for the appeal either. The remittance advice has no details on it other than "2015 claim", no letter of explanation either.
I am guessing that they don't want to admit to this being a "lost" appeal, so I wont ever get any formal response otherwise that would mess up their statistics. But I am pretty convinced that release of the funds has come from lodging that appeal; nothing else has worked over the last 2 years!
They did correct the 2016 claims and made the correct payment in January.
All that's left to do now is to wait for mapping to correct their errors on the same fields on the 2017 forms, now that I have submitted my third set of RLE forms. The LAND section is showing the exclamation mark now, so that indicates changes pending. Lets just hope that they make the right changes!
Hesston4860s
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- Location
- Nr Lincoln
I shall be going the same route very soon once the timescale on my complaint is up.
- Location
- South Molton
Still at claim validation, called and told that bridging payment will be paid "sometime in April" and you can longer speak to the unpaid 2016 team you have to wait for a call back in 2 working days!
@Guy Smith
EDIT i just read this on the RPA website "The RPA is working seven days a week to make the remaining payments to farmers as soon as possible." so i will expect a phone call on sunday morning RPA!!
@Guy Smith
EDIT i just read this on the RPA website "The RPA is working seven days a week to make the remaining payments to farmers as soon as possible." so i will expect a phone call on sunday morning RPA!!
- Location
- South Molton
Think isn't good enough @Guy Smith !
- Location
- South Molton
Minister said end of march at the NFU conference